1 00:01:49,250 --> 00:01:59,109 [Music] 2 00:02:03,030 --> 00:02:00,469 the smoke radio 3 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:03,040 for the masses headline additional july 4 00:02:06,789 --> 00:02:05,040 8th 1947 5 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:06,799 the army air force's has announced that 6 00:02:11,029 --> 00:02:09,280 a flying beast has been found and is now 7 00:02:13,750 --> 00:02:11,039 in the possession of the army 8 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:13,760 if the game is rigged change the game 9 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:15,760 game changer 10 00:02:20,949 --> 00:02:18,879 i occasionally think how quickly our 11 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:20,959 differences worldwide 12 00:02:24,710 --> 00:02:24,000 would vanish if we were facing an alien 13 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:24,720 threat 14 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:34,309 this is faded black with your host jimmy 15 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:35,040 church 16 00:02:38,630 --> 00:02:37,599 on the game changer radio network and 17 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:38,640 kgra 18 00:02:43,509 --> 00:02:41,370 the global radio alliance 19 00:02:48,830 --> 00:02:43,519 [Music] 20 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:50,610 1985. 21 00:02:54,550 --> 00:02:52,560 [Music] 22 00:03:05,190 --> 00:02:54,560 you are listening to fade to black with 23 00:03:09,030 --> 00:03:05,200 jimmy church on the game changer network 24 00:03:13,589 --> 00:03:09,040 good evening yeah man 25 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:17,110 bespoke radio 26 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,270 for the 27 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,030 masses 28 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:26,990 how you doing today is wednesday may 12 29 00:03:33,490 --> 00:03:33,170 2021 30 00:03:37,390 --> 00:03:33,500 [Applause] 31 00:03:41,750 --> 00:03:41,190 132 days into the new year only 233 days 32 00:03:45,830 --> 00:03:41,760 left 33 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:45,840 we are live we are live from a bunker 34 00:03:52,229 --> 00:03:48,400 somewhere in the middle of nowhere 35 00:04:00,070 --> 00:03:56,949 a total undisclosed location it truly is 36 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:00,080 but it's beautiful it's beautiful this 37 00:04:03,509 --> 00:04:01,210 is my office man 38 00:04:07,429 --> 00:04:03,519 [Music] 39 00:04:09,270 --> 00:04:07,439 it's my office i would like to welcome 40 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:09,280 everybody listening all around the world 41 00:04:14,710 --> 00:04:12,400 all across the united states 42 00:04:16,789 --> 00:04:14,720 hitherto and throw back and forth up and 43 00:04:20,550 --> 00:04:16,799 down east and west north and south 44 00:04:28,550 --> 00:04:23,350 this is fade to black for kjcr the game 45 00:04:30,150 --> 00:04:28,560 changer network and kg ra the planets 46 00:04:34,070 --> 00:04:30,160 alright murals jimmy church what is 47 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:34,080 cracking everybody how you doing 48 00:04:43,030 --> 00:04:41,830 man what a week right and we're only at 49 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:43,040 wednesday 50 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:46,639 folks letting you know 51 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:49,120 what a week on the show and tonight 52 00:04:54,230 --> 00:04:50,240 nancy tremaine 53 00:04:56,469 --> 00:04:54,240 time 54 00:04:57,830 --> 00:04:56,479 and we are going to discuss her life of 55 00:05:00,390 --> 00:04:57,840 contact 56 00:05:02,629 --> 00:05:00,400 and her new book which is enlightened 57 00:05:03,790 --> 00:05:02,639 chapters of my life and the links for 58 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:03,800 the book are over at 59 00:05:06,710 --> 00:05:05,360 jimmychurchradio.com 60 00:05:08,150 --> 00:05:06,720 and you can go and click she has two 61 00:05:10,070 --> 00:05:08,160 books i will be talking about all of 62 00:05:13,270 --> 00:05:10,080 that tonight tomorrow night 63 00:05:14,790 --> 00:05:13,280 jacques valet and powell harris are with 64 00:05:22,550 --> 00:05:14,800 us 65 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:22,560 it's the announcement and conversation 66 00:05:28,870 --> 00:05:24,160 about their new book 67 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:32,150 ufo megacon that's right now i've got 68 00:05:35,510 --> 00:05:33,440 the links up 69 00:05:38,230 --> 00:05:35,520 posted it out there i've got it up we've 70 00:05:40,350 --> 00:05:38,240 got the commercials running to remind 71 00:05:42,230 --> 00:05:40,360 you we've got the banners over at 72 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:42,240 jimmychurchradio.com i want you to click 73 00:05:45,189 --> 00:05:43,680 i want you to get your tickets 74 00:05:46,870 --> 00:05:45,199 i want you to come out and hang out with 75 00:05:49,830 --> 00:05:46,880 us um 76 00:05:51,830 --> 00:05:49,840 we i have been announcing this i wanted 77 00:05:52,150 --> 00:05:51,840 it all to be a big surprise but i'm just 78 00:05:54,790 --> 00:05:52,160 as 79 00:05:56,469 --> 00:05:54,800 excited about this uh we've got uh some 80 00:05:59,189 --> 00:05:56,479 new t-shirts 81 00:06:00,550 --> 00:05:59,199 um that will be there we've got a bunch 82 00:06:03,749 --> 00:06:00,560 of new merchandise 83 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:03,759 uh that i'm very excited about and we've 84 00:06:08,230 --> 00:06:04,960 got a great booth 85 00:06:10,309 --> 00:06:08,240 and a great location there in 86 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:10,319 the vendor hall so come and hang out 87 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:11,280 with us 88 00:06:17,830 --> 00:06:14,800 and of course i'll be i'll be uh 89 00:06:19,909 --> 00:06:17,840 hosting two panels uh one on wednesday 90 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:19,919 one on friday i'm gonna go do some sky 91 00:06:25,270 --> 00:06:23,039 watching and uh bob brown will 92 00:06:26,390 --> 00:06:25,280 let me because he's the host by his 93 00:06:30,070 --> 00:06:26,400 bob's show 94 00:06:32,150 --> 00:06:30,080 this is bob's conference and uh 95 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:32,160 uh you know i think he got word you know 96 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:33,120 jimmy likes to 97 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:35,360 you know be a microphone hog he's going 98 00:06:39,029 --> 00:06:36,720 to try to introduce 99 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:39,039 every single speaker bob's like slow 100 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:40,650 down there church 101 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:44,479 [Laughter] 102 00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:46,960 i might let you up there once or twice 103 00:06:50,629 --> 00:06:48,240 so 104 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:50,639 but i'll be hanging out and uh we've got 105 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:52,080 uh the booth 106 00:06:59,110 --> 00:06:55,919 and uh food drink a casino 107 00:07:01,670 --> 00:06:59,120 uh getting together real people for 108 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:01,680 a live conference i am so excited about 109 00:07:04,309 --> 00:07:03,520 this i want all of you fader knots to be 110 00:07:07,029 --> 00:07:04,319 there 111 00:07:09,270 --> 00:07:07,039 i do i want all of us to be hanging out 112 00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:09,280 you know how we do it 113 00:07:13,909 --> 00:07:11,520 you you already know if you're a fate or 114 00:07:16,790 --> 00:07:13,919 not you've been to conferences with me 115 00:07:18,070 --> 00:07:16,800 you know what goes down right conference 116 00:07:19,990 --> 00:07:18,080 is over 117 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:20,000 nine o'clock at night 10 o'clock at 118 00:07:23,189 --> 00:07:21,120 night we find 119 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:23,199 a lounge we find a restaurant and we 120 00:07:27,270 --> 00:07:24,160 take it over 121 00:07:30,230 --> 00:07:27,280 that's what we do right and we're gonna 122 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:30,240 do it in three weeks in laughlin nevada 123 00:07:35,430 --> 00:07:31,440 the aquarius 124 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:35,440 hotel and casino so i've done my part 125 00:07:39,029 --> 00:07:36,960 i've got all the information out there 126 00:07:40,390 --> 00:07:39,039 for everybody get your tickets and come 127 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:40,400 and hang out with us 128 00:07:45,830 --> 00:07:43,440 okay all right there you go follow me on 129 00:07:48,790 --> 00:07:45,840 twitter at jchurchradio 130 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:48,800 twitter twitter has been crazy for me i 131 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:49,919 love twitter 132 00:07:57,589 --> 00:07:54,400 i do i do whose birthday is it 133 00:08:00,150 --> 00:07:57,599 whose birthday is it i see it 134 00:08:00,790 --> 00:08:00,160 i see it it's popping up i need to know 135 00:08:04,710 --> 00:08:00,800 whose 136 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:04,720 birthday it is it's not my birthday 137 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:06,800 is it third stone's birthday happy 138 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:08,560 birthday third stone you need to give me 139 00:08:13,189 --> 00:08:10,080 a little bit more 140 00:08:16,390 --> 00:08:13,199 uh advanced uh notice 141 00:08:17,909 --> 00:08:16,400 so i can get you in into the birthdays 142 00:08:19,510 --> 00:08:17,919 i mean you know that's one of the things 143 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:19,520 i like to do around here 144 00:08:22,550 --> 00:08:21,840 hashtag f2b is the sandbox and that's 145 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:22,560 where they have 146 00:08:28,869 --> 00:08:25,680 happy birthdays popping up right now 147 00:08:31,909 --> 00:08:28,879 is is it third stone 148 00:08:32,550 --> 00:08:31,919 happy birthday third stone 29 i'm taking 149 00:08:35,230 --> 00:08:32,560 a guess here 150 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:35,240 taking a guess email is jimmy 151 00:08:39,430 --> 00:08:37,120 jimmychurchradio.com 152 00:08:41,029 --> 00:08:39,440 f2bq's fade to black questions let's get 153 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:41,039 to the breaking news got a lot to cover 154 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:42,399 tonight 155 00:08:45,670 --> 00:08:45,360 man man man i don't have any well no i 156 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:45,680 do 157 00:08:51,350 --> 00:08:48,959 kind of have some ufo news sort of 158 00:08:53,350 --> 00:08:51,360 i'll get to that in a second but gas 159 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:53,360 stations throughout the southeast are 160 00:08:57,269 --> 00:08:54,000 running out of 161 00:08:59,670 --> 00:08:57,279 fuel as americans continue to panic 162 00:09:01,910 --> 00:08:59,680 by following the colonial pipeline 163 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:01,920 shutdown i've seen all the pictures 164 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:04,880 people filling up trash cans what are 165 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:06,320 you doing 166 00:09:12,949 --> 00:09:09,920 trash bags i've seen trash bags 167 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:12,959 getting what what's what's the deal 168 00:09:16,790 --> 00:09:15,600 it's not the end of the world the supply 169 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:16,800 crunch appears to be 170 00:09:22,389 --> 00:09:20,160 much worse in some major metro areas 171 00:09:24,870 --> 00:09:22,399 nearly three-quarters 73 percent of gas 172 00:09:28,389 --> 00:09:24,880 stations in pensacola florida 173 00:09:30,150 --> 00:09:28,399 are impacted 72 percent of gas stations 174 00:09:32,230 --> 00:09:30,160 are reporting outages and rally 175 00:09:34,630 --> 00:09:32,240 north carolina i don't know what's going 176 00:09:38,470 --> 00:09:34,640 on 70 percent of stations in 177 00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:38,480 charlotte north carolina are out of gas 178 00:09:42,150 --> 00:09:40,240 nearly 60 percent of stations are 179 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:42,160 impacted in atlanta 180 00:09:45,829 --> 00:09:44,000 and this is because of panic buying you 181 00:09:49,430 --> 00:09:45,839 know you didn't need gas last 182 00:09:52,710 --> 00:09:49,440 week right the colonial pipeline 183 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:52,720 launched the restart of its operations 184 00:09:57,990 --> 00:09:55,920 today right this evening following a 185 00:09:58,630 --> 00:09:58,000 six-day shutdown caused by a ransomware 186 00:10:00,790 --> 00:09:58,640 attack 187 00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:00,800 but the pipeline's operators warned it's 188 00:10:04,150 --> 00:10:02,160 going to take several days for the 189 00:10:07,509 --> 00:10:04,160 service to return to normal 190 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:07,519 but it's over it's over people man 191 00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:11,200 calm down hoarding gas 192 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:14,560 you know i i i actually saw 193 00:10:18,389 --> 00:10:17,040 a picture you know they had like uh 194 00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:18,399 eight gas cans 195 00:10:21,670 --> 00:10:20,640 lined up filling them it the the 196 00:10:25,190 --> 00:10:21,680 hatchback is 197 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:25,200 opened up the hatch on this suv 198 00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:29,440 in the suv toilet paper 199 00:10:37,110 --> 00:10:33,760 i'm not making it i'm just like what 200 00:10:39,509 --> 00:10:37,120 oh man all right 201 00:10:41,430 --> 00:10:39,519 all right all right you know what in 202 00:10:43,590 --> 00:10:41,440 this situation it's a ransomware attack 203 00:10:44,470 --> 00:10:43,600 okay the pipeline was shut down okay i 204 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:44,480 get it 205 00:10:48,389 --> 00:10:47,200 nothing really happened everything came 206 00:10:51,509 --> 00:10:48,399 back online there's 207 00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:51,519 nothing really happened right 208 00:10:54,630 --> 00:10:53,200 so come on everybody just get it 209 00:10:57,910 --> 00:10:54,640 together all right 210 00:10:58,710 --> 00:10:57,920 this is a great country i mean stop it 211 00:11:02,150 --> 00:10:58,720 stop it 212 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:02,160 all right because right now over in 213 00:11:05,350 --> 00:11:04,880 in israel gaza strip it is out of 214 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:05,360 control 215 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:08,000 militants in gaza have now fired more 216 00:11:11,350 --> 00:11:09,360 than 1 000 217 00:11:14,389 --> 00:11:11,360 rockets into israel since the latest 218 00:11:16,069 --> 00:11:14,399 flare-up began monday afternoon and 219 00:11:17,430 --> 00:11:16,079 the latest tally right now that they 220 00:11:19,269 --> 00:11:17,440 have killed five 221 00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:19,279 israeli civilians and injuring more than 222 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:20,480 200 others 223 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:22,560 the israeli military announced all of 224 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:25,360 that today around 130 rockets hit tel 225 00:11:28,949 --> 00:11:26,000 aviv 226 00:11:31,750 --> 00:11:28,959 last night forcing israel's main 227 00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:31,760 international airport to close 228 00:11:35,030 --> 00:11:33,519 many of the rockets were intercepted by 229 00:11:37,509 --> 00:11:35,040 israel's iron dome 230 00:11:39,829 --> 00:11:37,519 air defense system but several did 231 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:39,839 strike inside of tel aviv 232 00:11:43,670 --> 00:11:42,480 israel's military said yesterday that it 233 00:11:46,870 --> 00:11:43,680 had killed a number of 234 00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:46,880 key hamas officials in what is described 235 00:11:52,150 --> 00:11:47,200 as 236 00:11:53,910 --> 00:11:52,160 israel's largest strike since 2014. 237 00:11:55,509 --> 00:11:53,920 israel saying they're targeting they're 238 00:12:00,550 --> 00:11:55,519 targeting 239 00:12:02,389 --> 00:12:00,560 crazy it's got to chill out man it's 240 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:02,399 just got to chill out i've got 241 00:12:06,069 --> 00:12:04,560 after a year and a half and we're still 242 00:12:06,629 --> 00:12:06,079 in the middle of a pandemic still in 243 00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:06,639 them 244 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:08,880 here in the united states is chilled out 245 00:12:12,870 --> 00:12:10,240 you know somewhat 246 00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:12,880 the numbers around the world are insane 247 00:12:16,550 --> 00:12:14,399 here in the united states 248 00:12:18,150 --> 00:12:16,560 we're starting to get a grip on things 249 00:12:21,269 --> 00:12:18,160 but the rest of the world is still 250 00:12:24,069 --> 00:12:21,279 in the middle of a pandemic and 251 00:12:26,069 --> 00:12:24,079 and and with everything that's going on 252 00:12:26,949 --> 00:12:26,079 you want to fire missiles and bomb each 253 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:26,959 other 254 00:12:31,030 --> 00:12:30,480 come on man well after two months of 255 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:31,040 hyping 256 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:34,480 bitcoin that's right 257 00:12:41,829 --> 00:12:38,000 elon musk suddenly says tesla 258 00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:41,839 will stop accepting it elon announced 259 00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:43,120 today that tesla 260 00:12:47,670 --> 00:12:46,079 is abandoning plans to accept bitcoin as 261 00:12:48,870 --> 00:12:47,680 payment for the company's electric 262 00:12:51,230 --> 00:12:48,880 vehicles 263 00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:51,240 citing the cryptocurrency's high 264 00:12:57,190 --> 00:12:52,399 environmental 265 00:13:02,310 --> 00:12:57,200 cost after months of being bullish on it 266 00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:02,320 that's right what about doge dogecoin 267 00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:04,000 right is that does that have 268 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:06,480 environmental impact 269 00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:09,600 elon more on elon in just a minute but 270 00:13:17,750 --> 00:13:13,920 also today ellen degeneres announced 271 00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:17,760 amig toxic workplace allegations 272 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:19,519 that she plans to end her long-running 273 00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:23,360 daytime talk show sometime in 2022. 274 00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:26,160 the ellen degeneres show which has won 275 00:13:29,829 --> 00:13:26,880 64 276 00:13:30,389 --> 00:13:29,839 daytime emmy awards is currently in its 277 00:13:33,269 --> 00:13:30,399 18th 278 00:13:33,990 --> 00:13:33,279 season the show will wrap after season 279 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:34,000 19 280 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:36,480 according to ellen and she will discuss 281 00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:37,360 her decision 282 00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:40,720 in an interview with oprah scheduled to 283 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:41,440 air 284 00:13:49,189 --> 00:13:44,800 tomorrow sounds like ratings drama to me 285 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:49,199 i'm just saying and i say just quit now 286 00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:49,920 ellen 287 00:13:57,189 --> 00:13:53,120 if you're serious i mean sir 288 00:13:59,110 --> 00:13:57,199 show some nad walk seriously 289 00:14:02,310 --> 00:13:59,120 all right also announced today the rock 290 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:02,320 and roll hall of fame 2021 inductees 291 00:14:09,829 --> 00:14:05,600 are performer category 292 00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:09,839 foo fighters the go-go's 293 00:14:18,069 --> 00:14:13,920 jay-z carol king todd rundgren 294 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:18,079 and tina turner and in the musical 295 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:20,320 excellent award 296 00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:25,040 ll cool j billy preston 297 00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:29,120 and randy rhodes there you go 298 00:14:33,269 --> 00:14:32,240 we've got disclosure and we've got randy 299 00:14:35,230 --> 00:14:33,279 rhodes 300 00:14:39,509 --> 00:14:35,240 in the rock and roll hall of fame 301 00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:39,519 absolutely unbel it took 40 years 302 00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:41,199 that's all i got that's all i got with 303 00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:42,880 that you know what what was 304 00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:44,720 great about this announcement today from 305 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:46,160 the rock and roll hall of fame 306 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:49,440 no matter what you think right i can't 307 00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:51,440 argue with this list 308 00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:54,720 i can't argue that's strong that's a 309 00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:55,040 that 310 00:15:02,550 --> 00:14:59,600 rock and roll hall of fame this year 311 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:02,560 none that's awesome okay i also 312 00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:04,720 announced today 313 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:07,760 i'm gonna leave you with this 314 00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:10,880 the u.s patent office issued a utility 315 00:15:16,470 --> 00:15:12,639 patent number 316 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:16,480 11 million today that's eleven 317 00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:19,680 six zero zero zero zero zero zero zero 318 00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:22,079 granting the milestone number to a 319 00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:22,720 patent 320 00:15:28,949 --> 00:15:26,639 entitled repositioning wires and methods 321 00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:28,959 for repositioning prosthetic heart 322 00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:32,000 valve devices within a heart chamber and 323 00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:36,399 related systems devices and methods 324 00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:39,440 patent number 11 million 325 00:15:43,269 --> 00:15:42,240 was that couldn't have been anything 326 00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:43,279 cool 327 00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:46,880 right well here we go my 328 00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:50,079 patent application is on hold 329 00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:52,959 because i'm waiting for patent number 330 00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:54,160 eleven million 331 00:15:58,470 --> 00:15:57,279 one one one one one one that's a special 332 00:16:00,790 --> 00:15:58,480 number 333 00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:00,800 which should be up for grabs in about uh 334 00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:02,560 in about a year 335 00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,079 there you go let's get this show 336 00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:06,480 cracking happy birthday to today 337 00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:10,160 ronnie malik today is 40 mr robot 338 00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:13,279 and of course bohemian rhapsody emilio 339 00:16:19,509 --> 00:16:16,800 estevez today is 59 the breakfast club 340 00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:19,519 he's so great in that bert bacharach 341 00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:21,759 today is 342 00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:26,320 steve wynwood arc of the diver right 343 00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:30,160 man 73 years old billy squire 344 00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,519 today i i just can't believe this billy 345 00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:35,600 squire today is 71. 346 00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:39,279 kiss drummer eric singer is 63 347 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:43,040 and guitarist billy duffy of the cult 348 00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:46,480 is 60. i was talking to uh 349 00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:49,759 peter tacker and hello peter uh today 350 00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:52,560 that's a real long distance call 351 00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:55,519 yeah i wonder if he's still in snow but 352 00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:56,079 anyway 353 00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:58,959 talking to peter about these ages man 354 00:17:03,630 --> 00:16:59,519 steve 355 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:03,640 wynwood 73 man that's crazy billy 356 00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:05,280 squire71 357 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:08,000 and and peter said to me today he goes 358 00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:09,439 you got to remember man 359 00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:13,039 mtv 1981. that's 40 years ago 360 00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:15,439 and everybody that we listened to was 361 00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:18,079 probably 25 30 years old they got to 362 00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:22,480 be 70 today it's crazy 363 00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,480 our dead guy's birthday today is i need 364 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:26,480 a moment of silence please i was gonna 365 00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:28,160 post some pictures 366 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:30,840 um it was a little rough for me to do 367 00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:32,320 but 368 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:35,440 bobby durango 1965 369 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:38,960 to 2012 died at the age of 56 bobby 370 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:41,600 was the lead singer for the rock city 371 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,960 angels 372 00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:44,880 at the time of their signing to geffen 373 00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,120 records back in 1986 374 00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,799 their record deal was one of the biggest 375 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:50,480 in hollywood history 376 00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:52,320 and geffen had two bands in the roster 377 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,320 at that time they had guns and roses 378 00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:55,919 and the rock city angels lots of 379 00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,360 competition 380 00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,679 bobby and the band relocated to memphis 381 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:01,679 to record their first record young man's 382 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:02,559 blues 383 00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:06,000 which was released in 1988. 384 00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,760 i knew bobby here in hollywood i knew 385 00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:09,200 the band here in hollywood before they 386 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,480 went to memphis 387 00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,400 and then of course i hung out with them 388 00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:14,000 and worked for them 389 00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:16,880 um in memphis it was uh it was a lot of 390 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:17,600 fun 391 00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:21,840 he met my family my mom my dad 392 00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:24,480 grandmother my brothers and even had 393 00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:26,799 dinner over at the house a few times 394 00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:29,280 and we were pretty close friends he was 395 00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:30,799 a great guy with a big heart 396 00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:34,400 and a very talented musician in 2012 397 00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,240 right before his passing 398 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,880 we did a three hour interview for my old 399 00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,640 show before fade to black 400 00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:42,400 and we talked about our friendship we 401 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:43,760 talked about the old days and how 402 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:45,760 excited he was to finally finish their 403 00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:48,160 new record and get back on the road 404 00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,559 bobby died a month later unbelievable 405 00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:54,880 he was just 56 years old bobby i hope 406 00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:56,160 you're listening to my brother 407 00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,440 all right happy birthday on this day in 408 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,120 history 1963 409 00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:03,520 bob dylan walks out on the ed sullivan 410 00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:04,400 show 411 00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:05,919 rather than choose a new number to 412 00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:08,880 perform or change his songs lyrics 413 00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:11,360 dylan decided to storm off the set and 414 00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:12,559 angry protest 415 00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:15,919 that's the urban legend uh side of it i 416 00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:16,400 think 417 00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:19,440 said nah 418 00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:22,640 i'll pass fader fact 419 00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:26,080 actor james franco once created 420 00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,080 an invisible sculpture called fresh air 421 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,880 it was described as an endless supply of 422 00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:33,760 oxygen 423 00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:37,039 well montreal web producer social media 424 00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:39,200 marketer model and actor 425 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:42,160 amy davison actually bought the 426 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:43,360 sculpture 427 00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:47,760 for ten thousand dollars that's vetted 428 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:50,080 that's a fact that's a fader fact 429 00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,280 tonight on the show 430 00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,440 first time guest nancy tremaine is with 431 00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:55,600 us she's here for the first time we are 432 00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,160 going to discuss her life of contact 433 00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,720 and her new book enlightened chapters of 434 00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,320 my life the links for the book are over 435 00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:04,159 at jimmychurchradio.com 436 00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:06,400 tomorrow night jock valet and paula 437 00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,760 harris are with us 438 00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:10,000 for an exclusive evening right here on 439 00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,200 fade to black 440 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:13,039 and we'll be discussing their new book 441 00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:14,640 trinity the best 442 00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:18,400 kept secret all right let me let me hit 443 00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:20,159 this river moon coffee i got a lot to 444 00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,350 elon musk is back in the news this whole 445 00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:29,520 bitcoin thing 446 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:32,159 and and i like to research and like to 447 00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:35,440 do things and somehow today 448 00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,120 i got i got sucked into some elon musk 449 00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,960 conversations and interviews that he's 450 00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,559 done and 451 00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,480 things that i had not seen before pretty 452 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:46,159 recent too as well 453 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,470 would you go to mars 454 00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:58,710 this is a very serious question so i'll 455 00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:01,440 ask it again 456 00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,590 there are right now thousands of people 457 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,360 on this planet 458 00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:13,520 that have already made up their minds 459 00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:22,950 a journey to mars right now 460 00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,720 is almost certainly a one-way trip 461 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:29,120 don't make any plans to come back this 462 00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:30,320 is what you must 463 00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:34,880 resolve in your mind and accept 464 00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:38,480 you ain't coming back you might not even 465 00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:39,360 make it 466 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,400 there but okay 467 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:44,000 let's let's move on to some other 468 00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:45,600 thoughts 469 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:50,799 i mean do you consider your friends 470 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,789 now think about that for a second 471 00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,950 certainly anyone who decides to go to 472 00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:04,640 mars 473 00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:08,720 has a family a wife a husband 474 00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:16,310 right you you would probably be saying 475 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,440 your final goodbyes to them 476 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,559 is this something that gets involved in 477 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:25,280 the decision 478 00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:28,400 right your friends your pets 479 00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:35,430 now today it's mars right 480 00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:40,159 and it all sounds so dangerous 481 00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:44,559 so so final right 482 00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,320 well to be honest if you make it there 483 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,919 and survive 484 00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,320 and you build your base camp and you 485 00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:54,799 figure things out 486 00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:58,720 and then you don't have a drivable steed 487 00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:01,760 right back to earth 488 00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,720 you can wait a few years right or 10 489 00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:06,559 until you can hit your ride on a return 490 00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,600 trip 491 00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:10,159 right even if you wanted to come back 492 00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,440 maybe you don't want to come back maybe 493 00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:13,679 you want to stay 494 00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:17,919 but was this the same considerations 495 00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:20,840 for all of the brave explorers in the 496 00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:23,360 past 497 00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:26,640 was columbus married i don't know i 498 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:27,440 didn't look it up 499 00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,120 how about magellan yeah the rough one 500 00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:34,159 how about how about shackleford 501 00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:39,520 right that doomed trip on a 502 00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:43,919 sailboat right 503 00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,840 i trip on this or anybody who decided to 504 00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,919 sail their ships over the horizon 505 00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:52,320 to a new world not even knowing what's 506 00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:53,600 on the other side they're just going to 507 00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:53,919 go 508 00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,200 and sail over the horizon 509 00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,400 it's crazy they certainly didn't have 510 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:01,919 the comfort in knowing that 511 00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,600 maybe someday a rescue ship and its 512 00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,559 cavalry would come running after your 513 00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,880 distress beacon goes off no they didn't 514 00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,760 have that 515 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,600 obviously there were no radios or cell 516 00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,240 phones on a viking ship 517 00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,760 all of that goes without saying and i 518 00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:20,240 understand that but did they consider 519 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:21,679 their family 520 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,640 their children their wives as they 521 00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:27,360 headed out for what everyone knew 522 00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,240 was gonna be an absolute one-way trip 523 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:35,760 now here's the absolute truth 524 00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:38,480 somebody has to do it there has to be a 525 00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,960 first 526 00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:42,000 somebody's got to do it and every one of 527 00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:42,799 those 528 00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:46,080 somebodies has that relationship 529 00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,799 a life that they must leave behind 530 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,520 as humanity discovered the world it 531 00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,120 didn't happen with just 532 00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,120 one trip to the mountain top no it 533 00:25:03,669 --> 00:24:59,840 didn't or to another continent or to an 534 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,679 island it happened and failed 535 00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,720 thousands of times but we just kept 536 00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:07,679 going 537 00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:10,799 the exploration continued 538 00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,240 i was listening to elon musk today and 539 00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,520 his comments about going to mars were so 540 00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,520 direct and i'm paraphrasing here but he 541 00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:21,600 said 542 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:26,080 people are gonna die i was like 543 00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,080 dude yes they will 544 00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:33,679 this is a certainty but many more 545 00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:36,159 won't and no matter what happens there 546 00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,720 will be 547 00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:39,360 millions of people behind them ready to 548 00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:40,840 go 549 00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,240 soon during our lifetimes 550 00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,480 going to mars will be as common as air 551 00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,159 travel is today 552 00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,679 and i know what you're saying yourself 553 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:51,600 you know jimmy why 554 00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,320 how how can you say this well it's 555 00:26:02,789 --> 00:25:59,830 we know that this is something that we 556 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:02,799 must do we have to do it 557 00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:06,480 and to put all of this into perspective 558 00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:10,960 less than 100 years ago one lifetime 559 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:14,320 ago in 1927 560 00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,480 this is 2021 in 1927 561 00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:20,960 charles lindbergh completed the first 562 00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,520 solo non-stop 563 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,159 transatlantic flight 1927. 564 00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,640 think about that really let that sink in 565 00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:29,840 for a moment 566 00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,960 because 60 years later we were flying 567 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:34,640 all over the planet 568 00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,080 all day long and yes 60 569 00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,520 years later after 1927 we were flying to 570 00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,760 the moon 571 00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,760 nobody thought this was possible 100 572 00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,200 years ago but 573 00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,559 we got it done this is what's happening 574 00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,799 right now with thousands of engineers 575 00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:54,799 dreamers and explorers 576 00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,600 they are going to mars those are the 577 00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:58,559 plans 578 00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:02,080 so i'll ask you again would you go to 579 00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:03,360 mars 580 00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:07,840 right now think about it 581 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:12,400 i would right now 582 00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,240 seriously i'm yours jimmy church this is 583 00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,080 fade to black 584 00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:21,679 tonight first time guest nancy tremaine 585 00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,720 is here it's going to be 586 00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:25,039 great want to remind everybody what's 587 00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,080 going on tomorrow 588 00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,600 no fader night no open lines tomorrow 589 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:32,159 we've got jack valet and paula harris 590 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:33,760 going to be joining us to discuss 591 00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:38,000 their new book trinity that's right 592 00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,440 wait till you hear about the week we 593 00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,039 have next week 594 00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,799 this week isn't big enough or last week 595 00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,880 it's great i'm your host jimmy church 596 00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:48,000 and the game changer network 597 00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,679 and kgra the planet you can follow me on 598 00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,159 twitter at j church radio email 599 00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,960 is jimmy jimmychurchradio.com i'll be 600 00:28:05,810 --> 00:27:59,120 right back with tonight's guest 601 00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,549 [Music] 602 00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,720 this is nicole church daughter of you 603 00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,960 know who and you're listening to fade to 604 00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:21,279 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00:33:31,159 you're listening to jimmy 730 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,440 churchradio.com 731 00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,200 what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle 732 00:33:39,570 --> 00:33:37,039 matson you're listening to jimmy church 733 00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:39,580 radio 734 00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,430 all right welcome back fade to block i'm 735 00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:59,200 your host jimmy church tonight nancy 736 00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,840 tremaine 737 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:01,760 is with us first time guest tomorrow 738 00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,149 tomorrow night jack vale and paula 739 00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,840 harris 740 00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:10,159 what a great week on the show now 741 00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,200 tonight 742 00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,119 nancy is here and we are going to talk 743 00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,040 about her new book enlightened 744 00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,919 chapters of my life nancy is the middle 745 00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:19,839 of five children she grew up in novi 746 00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,639 michigan 747 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,560 her father was a hydraulic engineer in 748 00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,240 the aerospace division of vickers and 749 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,599 troy michigan 750 00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,240 and in july 1961 nancy her girlfriend 751 00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,480 cindy cindy's father neighbors and two 752 00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,720 novi michigan police officers 753 00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,520 watched as a ufo hovered above a tree 754 00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,159 against a clear blue sky 755 00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,320 nancy has written two books chronicling 756 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:41,839 her experiences 757 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,960 the first symbiosis a love beyond space 758 00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:45,760 and time 759 00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:48,320 and her second book enlightened chapters 760 00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,440 of my life 761 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,040 her story is the basis of a 762 00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,960 broadway-style musical titled 763 00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,440 hypnata which is being written by artist 764 00:35:00,030 --> 00:34:56,800 and playwright doug 765 00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,040 old her links for her books are over at 766 00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:01,680 jimmychurchradio.com and i would like to 767 00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:02,000 welcome 768 00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:03,599 for the first time to fade to black 769 00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:06,079 nancy tremaine nancy good evening how 770 00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,119 are you 771 00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:09,599 i'm wonderful thank you so much jimmy i 772 00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:17,109 okay all right oh oh oh oh it it 773 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,599 it sort of came back okay nancy welcome 774 00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,160 i don't even know what's going on okay 775 00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:26,480 all right nancy welcome to the show 776 00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,079 and uh you get nancy the first time 777 00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,680 guest disclaimer this is interesting 778 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,400 okay this is getting good okay there you 779 00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,680 go 780 00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,599 you get the first time guest disclaimer 781 00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:42,240 which is this nancy it's just you and i 782 00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,599 sitting on my couch having a 783 00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,680 conversation as friends and 784 00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,440 where the conversation starts it starts 785 00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,960 and where it ends it ends and we're 786 00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,240 going to end his friends 787 00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:53,359 there you go you ready i'm ready 788 00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:56,560 yeah you have a great job 789 00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,359 you have a great smile i you you hear 790 00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:01,280 that a lot don't you 791 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:04,640 yeah see i don't have a smile i smile a 792 00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,040 lot 793 00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,720 yeah i don't i don't have i don't have a 794 00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,160 good smile i can't 795 00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,109 this is the first time with headphones 796 00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,680 on and i wondered if i could walk around 797 00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,680 as i was talking 798 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:20,000 uh you yes you could it will help me 799 00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,280 okay okay 800 00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:23,040 oh this is this is this is getting 801 00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:24,560 better by the second 802 00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,320 what i normally do and this is what is 803 00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:32,480 so great what i normally do 804 00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:35,920 especially with the first time guest is 805 00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,240 we use this first segment to discuss uh 806 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,560 your childhood your crazy parents the 807 00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,119 crazy uncle the crazy aunt 808 00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,599 you know how you got into this and and 809 00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:49,440 what was it like growing up and all of 810 00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:49,920 that 811 00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,000 starts 812 00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,320 so it's going to make it pretty easy on 813 00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,720 me and 814 00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:01,920 are we going to go back to 1961 or 815 00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,200 are we going to go before that 816 00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:08,480 we're going to start at 1961. 817 00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:13,599 okay let's start in 1961. 818 00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,960 well i do have the crazy uncle 819 00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:19,280 can i leave that out no i don't know i 820 00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:20,400 don't know i want to hear about the 821 00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,440 crazy uncle 822 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,839 you know but there's another strange 823 00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:24,720 part uh 824 00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:28,160 for me uh with 1961. 825 00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:31,599 that's betty and barney hill yes and 826 00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,640 this was in july of 1961 and it would be 827 00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,079 50 years before i would 828 00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:39,359 realize and be told that this was before 829 00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,480 betty and bernie hell 830 00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,119 yeah very very interesting you're the 831 00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:44,880 first one to 832 00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,839 to to bring that up yes okay all right 833 00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:49,119 well there's gonna be a lot of first 834 00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,240 times tonight 835 00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,640 but what was um for you when you go back 836 00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,680 to 1961 was there anything special about 837 00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:01,829 well it was summer vacation we had just 838 00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,510 it was a beautiful summer day and my dad 839 00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,359 got home from work at 605 840 00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,480 every night like clockwork and i asked 841 00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,240 if i could go and play it my girlfriend 842 00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:18,000 cindy's we'd been friends since we were 843 00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,990 he could see her door from our front 844 00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,920 door so he could make sure i got there 845 00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:28,720 safely 846 00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,000 right my dad was very protective um 847 00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,960 very protective can i get you to move 848 00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,960 your microphone down 849 00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:39,200 a little little further a little further 850 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:40,400 right there perfect 851 00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:43,760 okay okay um uh 852 00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,480 so your dad is very protective but cindy 853 00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,520 you could see directly from your house 854 00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,680 yeah our houses we i could see her front 855 00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:54,079 door from my front door 856 00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,030 well we were inside her house playing 857 00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:08,079 and her father had hollered for us to 858 00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:08,720 come out 859 00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:11,920 he hollered girls and we could hear 860 00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,520 the um excitement in his voice 861 00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,520 we had no idea when we walked out that 862 00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,079 front door 863 00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,160 that our world view would be changed 864 00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:30,230 and and well what what is interesting 865 00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,520 um and i've seen your presentation um 866 00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:36,320 uh about this what is interesting at 867 00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:36,720 this 868 00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:39,920 moment did you see something 869 00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,200 or were you watching the adults react 870 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,200 no we walked out the front door and it 871 00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:48,960 was right there right in front of us 872 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,320 right right um it was a beautiful 873 00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:55,280 silver flying saucer hovering above a 874 00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,000 tree between 875 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:05,990 and it was against a blue sky 876 00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,910 it was a flying saucer that was the only 877 00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:10,800 word that i knew to put to it 878 00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:17,190 and when we walked out that door and i 879 00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,079 always say this 880 00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,640 it was like the part of the movie the 881 00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:22,079 wizard of oz 882 00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,599 where it goes from black and white to 883 00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,430 that's exactly how it felt and 884 00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:32,000 at that moment i don't remember being 885 00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,040 afraid it was just 886 00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,400 awe at the magnificence the beauty 887 00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:39,839 the size of it 888 00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,960 and the closeness i mean 889 00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:45,359 it was so close it was right in front of 890 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,230 her father was adjusting a small tripod 891 00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,920 telescope 892 00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,079 and he asked us if we wanted to look in 893 00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,000 it but 894 00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,680 i couldn't understand why he would ask 895 00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,440 such a silly question because 896 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:04,480 the ship was right there in front of us 897 00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:10,870 there were there was a lot a large belt 898 00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:11,599 around the 899 00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,839 uh ship and a band of lights red green 900 00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,200 and white 901 00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,200 and i realized now that they were 902 00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,880 pulsating i couldn't tell if they were 903 00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:23,119 pulsating or rotating they were going so 904 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,790 it was i can only say that it was like a 905 00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:31,920 dream state 906 00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,520 and someone must have called the police 907 00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,240 because we watched as a 908 00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:46,710 slowly coasted to a stop right in front 909 00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:49,599 of where 910 00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,280 we had gathered cindy her father 911 00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:55,359 her brother her sister a neighbor and 912 00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:02,950 and when the police got out of the car 913 00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,160 they never turned their back to the ship 914 00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:08,240 and they walked up the slight incline 915 00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:09,200 that we were 916 00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:17,599 standing on and joined us 917 00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:22,319 and i reached for the one police officer 918 00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,599 his arm and i tried to voice three 919 00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:27,520 simple words 920 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,440 that came out in slow motion i said 921 00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,480 is this real 922 00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,240 because i had to know what i was seeing 923 00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,790 he never said a word and and 924 00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,119 and and cindy let me jump in you're in 925 00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:46,960 sixth grade 926 00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:50,000 so you're not quite a young adult but 927 00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,240 you are of the age where 928 00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:56,720 you know what you're you know you you 929 00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,440 know what i mean 930 00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:00,240 you're understanding things and you see 931 00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:01,200 something like 932 00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,839 this what uh 933 00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:08,000 the question is this real that that's 934 00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,200 perfect because 935 00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,200 you are of the age where you are 936 00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,079 understanding your world around you 937 00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,200 and you you see something like this 938 00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:20,880 how is your young adult mind uh 939 00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,430 well it was three months before i turned 940 00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,560 13 941 00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,960 um and four months before cindy turned 942 00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:32,079 13. 943 00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:36,480 um it just couldn't uh 944 00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:40,640 wrap my mind around what i was seeing 945 00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,550 we watched as a car started coming down 946 00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:48,240 meadow brook road and this is the road 947 00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:49,599 that my home is on 948 00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,640 right and and this car 949 00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,960 we know whoever's driving it it's got to 950 00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,119 be crazy because 951 00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:00,560 it's putting itself closer and closer 952 00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:03,760 to the ship bringing itself right 953 00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,240 underneath and then a beam of light came 954 00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,400 out of the bottom left-hand side of the 955 00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,349 and it slowly started working its way 956 00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,480 down 957 00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,400 to the hood of the car we knew it was 958 00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:19,680 aimed at the car 959 00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,040 and no one was saying a word 960 00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:25,520 it was just totally silent nobody said 961 00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,480 anything 962 00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:28,079 because we were wondering what was going 963 00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:35,750 and when the beam of light hit the car 964 00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,109 now at that point i i think i was in 965 00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:45,520 mild hysteria because i 966 00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:49,200 i started jumping up and down 967 00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:53,680 and i was yelling over here over here 968 00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:56,480 i to the ship you were yelling to the 969 00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:56,960 ship 970 00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:00,640 over here okay and waving your arms and 971 00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,160 arms and cindy was grabbing my arms and 972 00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:05,680 telling me to stop it 973 00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:12,390 and at that point right the ship 974 00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:17,599 tilted on its side and it spoke 975 00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:21,760 and it said we see you 976 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,000 and i realized that this ship was alive 977 00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:29,040 it was a living thing and it said we see 978 00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:29,440 you 979 00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:37,670 forgot everything right that was the 980 00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,349 i was at home now with my father 981 00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,280 and uh he was kneeling on the kitchen 982 00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,960 floor and holding me 983 00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,560 and he was telling me that i was home 984 00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,630 and it didn't make sense that we were 985 00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:57,920 right in front of the clock 986 00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,640 on the stove and i looked up and it said 987 00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,400 ten minutes to nine 988 00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,119 and i saw the kitchen door was open and 989 00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:11,589 now i was never allowed out past 7 30 i 990 00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,160 mean 991 00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:14,640 never spankings were very common in my 992 00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:15,599 home 993 00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,790 i obeyed my dad's rules right and i was 994 00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:25,200 never allowed out past dusk 995 00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:29,359 so i was confused um 996 00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,190 to see me and i was silenced that night 997 00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:41,750 what do you mean what do you mean you 998 00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,190 i don't know what i'm what i had told my 999 00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,040 father or what but 1000 00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:54,000 he grabbed me by the arms and he he 1001 00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,960 shook me 1002 00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,040 and he he said you are never to speak of 1003 00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,190 did you remember 1004 00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,240 you didn't remember okay i didn't 1005 00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:09,520 remember anything 1006 00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:12,560 at that point except that i i had a 1007 00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,510 so i um but that night 1008 00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,240 that night i remember very clearly 1009 00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,960 standing on the headboard of my bed 1010 00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:26,720 looking out of my bedroom window at the 1011 00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,160 exact spot where that ship had hovered 1012 00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,400 that night and every night after that 1013 00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:33,680 for a long time 1014 00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,880 and i would chant please come back and 1015 00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:38,880 get me 1016 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,109 they must have left 1017 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:53,829 me with a very positive feelings 1018 00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,109 and emotions attached to this that i was 1019 00:48:03,349 --> 00:47:59,520 willing to leave my home 1020 00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:07,030 so for 50 years 1021 00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,880 exactly 50 years from that summer to 1022 00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,240 2011 1023 00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,960 it was never spoken of again i mean 1024 00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:16,319 never spoken of 1025 00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,160 now now cindy cindy and i'm so sorry for 1026 00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,680 rudely interrupting but 1027 00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,760 i think the point it needs to be made 1028 00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,720 here 1029 00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,640 cindy's your neighbor she's your friend 1030 00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,079 you go to school 1031 00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,200 everything is there her dad family 1032 00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,800 brothers it's all there but it was never 1033 00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,280 discussed after that day 1034 00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:39,839 it just wasn't i'm not with parents 1035 00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:43,119 family husbands and between cindy and i 1036 00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,640 um we had seven so 1037 00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,680 and um lots of therapists i went to 1038 00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,359 therapists over the years 1039 00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:53,040 and i would beg each therapist to 1040 00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,480 hypnotize me 1041 00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,480 i said there's something inside me that 1042 00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:04,470 and um i would be given a new medication 1043 00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:07,760 and a new diagnosis and 1044 00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,470 i did there were a few times over that 1045 00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,240 50-year period that i would 1046 00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,359 i would try to get cindy 1047 00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,760 to to speak i all i would have to say is 1048 00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:24,160 cindy can we and she knew where i was 1049 00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,960 going 1050 00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,960 and she would put her hand out and start 1051 00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,559 shaking 1052 00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,240 and i realized that neither one of us 1053 00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,440 were were ready 1054 00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,440 but i would draw a picture every year to 1055 00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,359 that ship and the police 1056 00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,839 and the car that had immobilized did the 1057 00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:41,520 police ever did the police ever 1058 00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:44,559 contact you uh again 1059 00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:47,839 well this is where yeah um 1060 00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,119 this is what happened after the 50-year 1061 00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:53,359 period of rage and rebellion and getting 1062 00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,470 um i was an easy target i was molested 1063 00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,400 twice 1064 00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,440 cindy dropped out of school before me 1065 00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,760 she was a hardcore alcoholic several 1066 00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,240 suicide attempts 1067 00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:15,680 then came september 1st 2011 1068 00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:18,880 and i was playing on the computer 1069 00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:22,000 and i saw the word 1070 00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,390 which i never heard i didn't know there 1071 00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:29,920 were people who studied 1072 00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:33,440 this phenomenon and that was very 1073 00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,880 comforting to know that there were 1074 00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:36,079 actually 1075 00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:40,319 people that that knew about this so i i 1076 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:43,839 i sent dr harry wellness 1077 00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,680 who was a research ufologist for over 55 1078 00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:48,559 years 1079 00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,839 and a former michigan state director 1080 00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,160 i sent him an email telling him i might 1081 00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,680 have something you'd be interested in 1082 00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,520 hearing 1083 00:51:05,109 --> 00:50:59,200 well he got back to me immediately he 1084 00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,309 and i knew that i i could tell him 1085 00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,319 i knew he wouldn't think i was crazy so 1086 00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:12,319 i i told him everything that i 1087 00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:15,839 just told you and uh he wanted to meet 1088 00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,400 with me 1089 00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:19,520 so we met a couple days later 1090 00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:23,680 um had a a local pub 1091 00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:27,520 and he came armed with books 1092 00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:32,950 and he had me look at all these pictures 1093 00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:35,599 of all of these aliens and 1094 00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,720 nothing they just looked silly to me 1095 00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,839 nothing connected no 1096 00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:44,000 and then we spoke of missing time 1097 00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:45,040 another word i'd 1098 00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:49,599 never heard of and the word regression 1099 00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,510 hypnotized and because we talked about 1100 00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,760 why was it getting dark what had 1101 00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:01,680 happened didn't i want to know 1102 00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,960 yes i wanted to know i wanted to know 1103 00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:07,040 everything that had happened 1104 00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,400 and he asked me if i could draw a 1105 00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,359 picture of the the ship for him 1106 00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:14,480 and i drew that ship 1107 00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:18,079 with the police the car he was really 1108 00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:25,030 he um we talked about a regression 1109 00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,319 therapist 1110 00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,200 and he was worried that it might cause 1111 00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:31,359 more harm 1112 00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:40,309 but i wanted this regression and i 1113 00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,990 and he found a regression therapist and 1114 00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:47,440 the three of us 1115 00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:51,760 met at harry dr harry wellness's house 1116 00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,280 on september 11th which is just 10 days 1117 00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,559 after i had told him 1118 00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:58,800 so things were really moving quickly 1119 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,030 and uh i had my first regression at uh 1120 00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:09,270 dr wellness's sister's house because he 1121 00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,710 comfortable 1122 00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:17,040 and just before the first regression i 1123 00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,240 was thinking to myself 1124 00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,480 that i might be too smart it might not 1125 00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,520 be able to regress 1126 00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:24,720 me but i must have really needed it 1127 00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:27,760 because i was out 1128 00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:30,559 i didn't remember anything from the 1129 00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:31,359 whole hour 1130 00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:35,280 except being paralyzed i couldn't move 1131 00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:36,640 my arms and legs 1132 00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:40,240 and i was frustrated and i was saying my 1133 00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:40,800 body 1134 00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:43,599 is waving and rumbling to the low hum of 1135 00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:50,710 you went right under you know 1136 00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,880 what is interesting about that is 1137 00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,800 i've often felt that you know people 1138 00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,559 that are smart they think that they're 1139 00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:00,400 better than hypnosis right 1140 00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:03,440 and not me right so 1141 00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:06,880 not me and then the next thing you know 1142 00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,480 it's you right and that's what happened 1143 00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,800 and regressions don't go in order what 1144 00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:14,800 happened was my first regression and my 1145 00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,480 second regression were reversed in order 1146 00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:21,599 um i was running home that's what 1147 00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,559 happened 1148 00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,520 the missing time i was running home and 1149 00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:27,760 during the second regression i'm i'm 1150 00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,640 saying i can run fast and i'm hauling 1151 00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,440 ass 1152 00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,200 and you can hear i'm out of breath i'm 1153 00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:35,119 running right and i'm saying they're 1154 00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,160 going to get me 1155 00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:39,200 me 1156 00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,359 get cindy too i don't want to be alone 1157 00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,200 and i knew how they were going to get me 1158 00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,599 and i don't know if they told me or how 1159 00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,480 but i knew how they were going to get me 1160 00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,319 and it was with a shock in the middle of 1161 00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,400 my back and i was waiting for that shock 1162 00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,079 as i was running 1163 00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:58,079 and when that shock hit me in the back i 1164 00:55:03,510 --> 00:54:59,839 was frozen 1165 00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:03,520 uh in position my arms and legs were 1166 00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,160 frozen 1167 00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,799 like a cartoon character in position 1168 00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:09,119 locked 1169 00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,480 and that's when they put me on my back 1170 00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,599 and i was in this euphoric wave as i was 1171 00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,079 going up into the ship 1172 00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:20,640 and there was no fear at all and i don't 1173 00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,520 know if 1174 00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:24,400 they were able to control that because 1175 00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,680 it was a beautiful 1176 00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,319 feeling and i knew i was going up into 1177 00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:30,240 the 1178 00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,109 after that second regression i 1179 00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,160 i became my own private investigator my 1180 00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:54,640 first move was to go after cindy 1181 00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,839 um my girlfriend who was with me 1182 00:56:01,349 --> 00:56:00,000 and we had been in and out of each 1183 00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:01,359 other's lives for 1184 00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:07,829 because of her drinking which 1185 00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,640 drove me crazy and i had three 1186 00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:12,880 illustrations at that time i had drawn 1187 00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:15,839 three illustrations 1188 00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,319 and i called her and 1189 00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,520 i was anxious and excited to get to her 1190 00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:26,160 house with these illustrations 1191 00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,200 and she was going to talk this time 1192 00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,119 she was married and her husband was 1193 00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:34,960 really sick he was on oxygen 1194 00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,150 and when i got there i right away i said 1195 00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,640 we need to talk and i said can we go in 1196 00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,319 your bedroom 1197 00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,400 and i told her to sit on the bed and i 1198 00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:51,440 sat on the other side of her 1199 00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,710 illustrations in my hand 1200 00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:00,319 and i said cindy this is really 1201 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,270 and i produced the first illustration 1202 00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,470 of the ship immobilizing the car 1203 00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:16,319 and she started to shake and she said 1204 00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:17,599 what are you doing 1205 00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:24,230 and i i thought no 1206 00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,160 and i produced the second picture of her 1207 00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,480 of the ship tilting on its side these 1208 00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:32,960 pictures are drawn by 12 year old nancy 1209 00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,470 and i showed it that picture 1210 00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:43,680 of the ship on its side and her grabbing 1211 00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:44,000 me 1212 00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,520 and then i produced the third picture of 1213 00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:55,200 me 1214 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,829 and she said 1215 00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:06,950 you were gone 1216 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:12,390 you were missing we couldn't find you 1217 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,950 and i was thinking to myself 1218 00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:21,270 she really just said that ryan 1219 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:31,430 what were the first words that i 1220 00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,030 i said where did i tell you i've been 1221 00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:38,240 and without any hesitation at all 1222 00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,309 certainly the words of a 12 year old 1223 00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:46,319 child right right right 1224 00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,599 right right we both started crying 1225 00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:54,160 and we held each other and i want to 1226 00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:55,680 tell you this is the closest 1227 00:59:02,390 --> 00:58:59,119 bonding i have ever felt 1228 00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:02,400 with another human at that moment 1229 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:12,230 and we were remembering and we were 1230 00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:18,710 we were comforting each other 1231 00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:25,670 for for years after that 1232 00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,799 nancy we need to take a break and uh 1233 00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:31,200 let me get that in now so just stay 1234 00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:32,720 right there take a deep breath get some 1235 00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:33,680 water 1236 00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,640 back after this short break i'm yours 1237 00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:40,160 jimmy church our guest tonight nancy 1238 00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,280 tremaine 1239 00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:44,079 and nancy is with us for the 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01:05:09,039 your host jimmy church tonight our guest 1363 01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:11,119 is nancy tremaine we're talking about 1364 01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:13,920 well both of her books uh but uh 1365 01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,640 enlightened 1366 01:05:17,710 --> 01:05:16,720 chapters of my life is her latest book 1367 01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:17,720 and the links are over at 1368 01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:19,680 jimmychurchradio.com 1369 01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:23,039 and uh now everything started in 1961 1370 01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:23,839 nancy 1371 01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:27,200 and this is the thing over the last 1372 01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:30,079 uh over the 50 years and certainly uh 1373 01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:33,920 going back to uh 2011 with cindy 1374 01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:37,119 did you start to remember those few 1375 01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:37,680 minutes 1376 01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:41,039 in front of your house did all of this 1377 01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:44,079 uh uh come back as a as a as 1378 01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:47,119 as i wanted to say a real memory but 1379 01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,079 it was blocked out from before so did it 1380 01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:52,480 start to establish itself 1381 01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:55,920 as as a real memory yes 1382 01:06:03,270 --> 01:05:59,760 over the next four years i recorded 1383 01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:06,710 our memories and we would piece together 1384 01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:10,559 uh there were things i remembered 1385 01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:13,920 that would jar her memory and vice versa 1386 01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:16,799 and she was the first one to bring up 1387 01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,160 there was a military 1388 01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:21,280 investigation and that was way over my 1389 01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:21,839 head 1390 01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:25,760 i i i couldn't even address it 1391 01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:30,319 i didn't understand it but um 1392 01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:32,319 she remembered that yeah yeah yeah yeah 1393 01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,920 yeah let's stay right there for a second 1394 01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,520 that's very interesting 1395 01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,200 um and again nancy i'm going to ask you 1396 01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:39,440 to pull your microphone down 1397 01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:42,640 uh to your chin there you go 1398 01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:46,160 okay um is is uh 1399 01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:50,000 is this so the military came to cindy 1400 01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:53,440 and her family well yeah 1401 01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,710 california it was the only business trip 1402 01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,480 had ever been on in his life 1403 01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:04,480 and he was offered a job position in 1404 01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:05,839 australia 1405 01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,119 which he turned down um 1406 01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:11,760 and i was taken i remember being taken 1407 01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:12,559 to stay 1408 01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,000 with complete strangers 1409 01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:18,720 i still remember their last name and i 1410 01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,150 i brought it up to a cousin of mine just 1411 01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:26,400 a few years ago and she said 1412 01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:29,760 yes those were friends of my dad's 1413 01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:33,599 mother my my grandma on my dad's side 1414 01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:36,480 um but she took me there to get me out 1415 01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:36,880 of 1416 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,630 okay so 1417 01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:54,470 um and of course my dad said no 1418 01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:57,039 to the job position we remained in 1419 01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:58,559 michigan 1420 01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:01,760 um the only comfort that the citizens of 1421 01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:02,240 novi 1422 01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:05,039 received was the church right down 1423 01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,720 meadow brook road from my house 1424 01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:09,119 it was an evangelical united brethren 1425 01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,559 church 1426 01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:12,960 and i was going through the archives i 1427 01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:14,319 said i was nancy drew 1428 01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,920 i was going through all the novi 1429 01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:17,359 archives 1430 01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,679 and i found this 1431 01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:23,520 title for his sermon the following 1432 01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,359 sunday after this 1433 01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:28,239 incident and it was titled the martian 1434 01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,199 question 1435 01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:32,000 and there's a picture i it's in the book 1436 01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:32,400 of 1437 01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,600 the newspaper article and there's a 1438 01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:37,199 martian 1439 01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:40,480 and the minister was saying he was 1440 01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,359 trying to 1441 01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,600 give comfort to all those who had 1442 01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:44,880 witnessed it 1443 01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:47,920 nova at that time was a village it was 1444 01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:51,199 very small it was all dirt roads but he 1445 01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,640 was trying to give comfort and he said 1446 01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,159 wouldn't it be nice if these are 1447 01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:57,839 benevolent beings 1448 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,709 humanity 1449 01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,749 was he referring to 1450 01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:09,679 what happened the week before with you 1451 01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:11,520 and the family 1452 01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:15,520 yeah even today a church a sermon titled 1453 01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,560 the martian question would be would be 1454 01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:20,159 unheard of 1455 01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,189 cindy also remembered being on board um 1456 01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:35,279 now that was yeah that was my other 1457 01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,480 question okay yes 1458 01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,480 let's let's let's let's back up to that 1459 01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,159 moment when you got 1460 01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:43,199 stunned in the back now 1461 01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,319 uh later cindy said that 1462 01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,400 she said that you were missing and you 1463 01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:50,960 said that you were in outer space 1464 01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,920 um but you were running you got stunned 1465 01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,600 in the back did the same thing happen to 1466 01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:57,520 cindy 1467 01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:01,600 she had no memory except that she was 1468 01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:05,600 in a tube and she was in a cylindrical 1469 01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:06,239 tube 1470 01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:10,080 suspended above me as they were 1471 01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:13,120 um the grays that were doing 1472 01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:16,159 a laparoscopy on me i'm kind of jumping 1473 01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:16,880 all over 1474 01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:20,320 i when i first got on the ship i ran 1475 01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:23,600 right past the pilot and i knew he was 1476 01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:24,480 the pilot 1477 01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:28,800 because he was piloting he was a man 1478 01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:31,840 and he was sitting there right and um 1479 01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,480 i i stood in the middle of this room 1480 01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,440 circular room and i said i can't believe 1481 01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:41,600 i'm on a flying saucer 1482 01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:45,040 and he said to me it's a ship 1483 01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,159 and i could feel not only was he 1484 01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,800 talking to me telepathically he was 1485 01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:52,800 sharing his emotions with me 1486 01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:56,719 i felt his humor at my stupid 1487 01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:00,560 remark flying saucer right and i ran 1488 01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:04,080 to the window it was 1489 01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,679 those red green and white flashing 1490 01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:07,440 lights that i'd seen from the outside 1491 01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:10,880 right from the inside it was just window 1492 01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,920 circular all the way around windows 1493 01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,480 and when i got to the window i had to 1494 01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:18,560 stand on my tiptoes to see out i was so 1495 01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,000 tiny 1496 01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:22,400 and i could see that we were hovering 1497 01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:23,120 above 1498 01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:26,480 the tree the tree 1499 01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:29,760 and now i want the audience to know 1500 01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:33,600 uh you gave this motion the audience can 1501 01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:34,159 see 1502 01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,199 me you gave this motion 1503 01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:39,520 that you went like this the windows so 1504 01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:40,880 you're standing in the middle 1505 01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:44,480 of this but the windows the lights that 1506 01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,760 you were referring to 1507 01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,920 you could see all of this right it was 1508 01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:49,199 just one 1509 01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:52,480 band of windows going around large 1510 01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,520 windows yes 1511 01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,159 right right okay and so you get up on 1512 01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,080 your tippy toes 1513 01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,640 i like that and and you and you peek out 1514 01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:02,000 the window 1515 01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:05,360 yes and i could see cindy's father 1516 01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:07,760 he was the only one there him and the 1517 01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:08,800 telescope 1518 01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,320 the neighbors had gone back in their 1519 01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:12,640 homes right the police were gone 1520 01:12:21,970 --> 01:12:18,550 that doesn't make any sense and what 1521 01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:21,980 about uh this is crazy 1522 01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:25,120 [Laughter] 1523 01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,920 uh so the car that got immobilized it's 1524 01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:29,760 not there 1525 01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:32,960 but cindy's dad with the telescope is 1526 01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,440 is he looking up at you by the way yes 1527 01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:36,560 he was 1528 01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,000 he's like this 1529 01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:42,320 the sunlight right right and the light 1530 01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:43,199 from the ship 1531 01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:51,120 and his hand was like this um 1532 01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:55,520 that was it okay look you're 12. 1533 01:13:02,229 --> 01:12:58,880 this is kind of fun are you right 1534 01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,239 is is is it is it fun i mean what's your 1535 01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:05,360 what what was your emotions like 1536 01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,270 laying on this table and they were doing 1537 01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:13,679 this laparoscopy i was 1538 01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,360 terrified and there was a long needle 1539 01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:19,040 and i'm still terrified of needles to 1540 01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:20,480 this day 1541 01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:23,280 and they told me that they wanted to see 1542 01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:24,640 inside 1543 01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,840 and the reason they said those words 1544 01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:29,840 was because at 12 years old i would have 1545 01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:31,040 never understood 1546 01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:38,070 harvest eggs or look at my female organs 1547 01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,440 and they told me they wanted to look 1548 01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:42,080 inside and i was 1549 01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,840 that's when they brought cindy on board 1550 01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:46,000 i was screaming and screaming and 1551 01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:47,600 fighting i wanted cindy i want 1552 01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:51,760 cindy right and um she was there 1553 01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,520 and i'll 1554 01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:57,360 inject this real quickly she did have 1555 01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,159 one regression 1556 01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:03,040 and during that regression she said that 1557 01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:05,199 the reason she believed she was on the 1558 01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:06,080 ship 1559 01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:09,440 was because nancy needed me 1560 01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,040 and because god wanted me to be with her 1561 01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:15,600 um she had one regression with my 1562 01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:16,880 regression therapist 1563 01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:20,880 uh and she spoke about the um 1564 01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,159 the the uh the grace and she she kept 1565 01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:26,560 saying those eyes those eyes 1566 01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:30,480 and those skeleton bodies 1567 01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,960 but in one of our phone conversations i 1568 01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,040 recorded her saying 1569 01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:38,000 they were really nice and she said that 1570 01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,159 twice and i said yes 1571 01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,199 and they were they weren't 1572 01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,760 meaning to hurt me and my regression 1573 01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:47,600 therapist said are they doing this with 1574 01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:49,280 malice and i said 1575 01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,350 there was no malice but the one 1576 01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:00,159 i remember he got his eyes right up into 1577 01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:01,600 my eyes and he said 1578 01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,400 we're going to do what we're going to do 1579 01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:06,080 you know and all this 1580 01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:10,320 fighting and you know so i i relented 1581 01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,840 i i totally relented and after they did 1582 01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:15,840 the laparoscopy they placed a 1583 01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:18,159 cylindrical metal object in my right 1584 01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,760 hand 1585 01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,520 and i instinctively knew that i was 1586 01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,440 supposed to curl my fingers around this 1587 01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:28,630 and i looked at the three small grays 1588 01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:29,360 and they were 1589 01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:32,640 looking at the wall 1590 01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:35,840 and i realized now and then 1591 01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:39,120 i i didn't realize then but i drew a 1592 01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,920 picture of it 1593 01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,679 and was only after i drew the picture 1594 01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:43,040 and you could see all their eyes looking 1595 01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:44,560 at the wall that i realized that they 1596 01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:45,440 were 1597 01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:49,600 hand 1598 01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,719 the information they were giving me and 1599 01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:54,560 i believe 1600 01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,800 i know that this information they were 1601 01:16:03,830 --> 01:15:58,880 giving me 1602 01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:06,870 that i'm sharing 1603 01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:10,080 and all the experiences that i was 1604 01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:13,120 to live through it was all there and i 1605 01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:14,400 was told 1606 01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:17,440 take this baton and run with it be an 1607 01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:20,480 ambassador now that's really ironic 1608 01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:21,360 because 1609 01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,640 i was in track and field later on when i 1610 01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:25,920 was 15 1611 01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,560 and i was the one who took the baton and 1612 01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,239 ran home with it 1613 01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:32,400 ended up getting we got a gold medal for 1614 01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:33,760 that um 1615 01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:37,199 but there's irony there um 1616 01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:40,880 so the uh the 1617 01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:44,080 object in your hand and the audience 1618 01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:46,000 needs to understand 1619 01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,920 how this conversation is happening 1620 01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:49,679 nancy's looking at me straight in my 1621 01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:50,400 eyeballs 1622 01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:53,520 telling me and it's and 1623 01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,600 uh your recall and the way that 1624 01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,679 you are seeing everything is pretty 1625 01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,280 fascinating to watch you 1626 01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,600 do this but but you held up your hand 1627 01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:05,120 like this 1628 01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,239 so was it um 1629 01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:10,560 i don't want to use the word download or 1630 01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:11,840 upload 1631 01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:14,480 but it sounds like something was 1632 01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:15,520 happening like 1633 01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,239 that am i understanding this correctly 1634 01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:20,800 yes and i think your word download is 1635 01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,719 perfect okay perfect yes 1636 01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,960 was there okay two questions these are 1637 01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,120 jimmy questions 1638 01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:32,640 so uh just just go with me on this 1639 01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:36,000 did you smell anything yes what did you 1640 01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:37,760 smell 1641 01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,159 over the 50 years that i was silent and 1642 01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,239 i kept telling therapists 1643 01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:44,400 there are memories attached to this 1644 01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:45,440 burning 1645 01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:48,080 smell that comes to my nose i would get 1646 01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:50,400 this burning smell to my nose 1647 01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:53,360 and i knew it was attached to memories i 1648 01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:54,239 didn't know it was 1649 01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,120 what memories and i would find out that 1650 01:18:03,270 --> 01:17:58,880 it was 1651 01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,280 electricity ozone from the ship 1652 01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:05,520 and um when we were kids dad would give 1653 01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:07,040 us the sparklers to run around the 1654 01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:08,800 backyard with the sparklers 1655 01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:17,830 sparklers will do that yes my sparklers 1656 01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:20,960 bring back memories in everybody 1657 01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,920 you remember those uh those little uh 1658 01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,719 snake 1659 01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,560 thing pellets you would light and they 1660 01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:28,719 would turn into 1661 01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:31,280 snakes you know what i'm talking about 1662 01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:33,040 yes we weren't allowed to do anything 1663 01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:34,000 that was dangerous 1664 01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,920 but you know what i'm talking the smell 1665 01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:37,199 of those to this 1666 01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:40,719 day takes me to a place 1667 01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,800 um okay so uh but the ozone smell 1668 01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:47,040 was the smell that you had inside of the 1669 01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:49,040 ship 1670 01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,320 no no it was the smell that 1671 01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,440 kept the memories for me for 50 years 1672 01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,600 i don't remember smelling the ozone 1673 01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:59,120 while i was watching the ship 1674 01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,520 i don't it was over the 50-year period 1675 01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:03,679 that i remembered that ozone smell 1676 01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,159 and it would come to me every year or so 1677 01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,000 and it would only last for a few seconds 1678 01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:10,480 and i try to grasp the memories that 1679 01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:11,520 were attached to it 1680 01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,560 right right um and and 1681 01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:17,280 uh the other question that i had when 1682 01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:18,800 you held 1683 01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:25,600 was there an electronic sensation was 1684 01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:26,640 the download 1685 01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:29,679 physical no i didn't feel 1686 01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:32,800 um anything except that i knew um 1687 01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:35,360 that i was to curl my fingers around it 1688 01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:36,320 and i knew 1689 01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:44,630 it's interesting and so so the greys 1690 01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:47,920 are watching the 1691 01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:50,640 the download speed right they're 1692 01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:51,840 watching 1693 01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:55,520 at 80 1694 01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:00,320 we're at 90 download complete 1695 01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,800 and cindy was put back she was only up 1696 01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:05,280 there for for a very short period of 1697 01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:06,480 time 1698 01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:14,310 i know it sounds crazy uh 1699 01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:17,360 it's outer space right that's when the 1700 01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:19,520 ship was missing 1701 01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:22,480 and i was gone yes cindy was back how 1702 01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:23,600 did you know 1703 01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:28,400 in outer space 1704 01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:30,840 were you watching things through the 1705 01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:33,199 window 1706 01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:37,040 how did you know no because i told cindy 1707 01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:38,639 i was in outer space 1708 01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:41,440 and because i was gone for well there 1709 01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,560 was that missing time 1710 01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:46,719 so and i wasn't there and the ship 1711 01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:47,600 wasn't there 1712 01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:50,800 and and so 1713 01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:53,280 i was in outer space right right right 1714 01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:55,600 and cindy and i spent um 1715 01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:58,080 four years talking about and piecing 1716 01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:04,550 and then i brought in the former police 1717 01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:07,280 chief lee begall 1718 01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:14,480 who was on duty that night and uh 1719 01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:23,510 and um he told me about 1720 01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,320 the military investigation well first 1721 01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,560 before that he 1722 01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:30,320 he told me about the car that was 1723 01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:31,840 immobilized 1724 01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:34,880 it was an unmarked police car driven by 1725 01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:36,639 an officer by the name of martin 1726 01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:40,960 cohn driving an off-duty police car 1727 01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:41,360 which 1728 01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:44,239 then puts three police officers on the 1729 01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:44,880 scene 1730 01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,480 right right now i didn't ask him about 1731 01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:50,239 the military investigation for a long 1732 01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:51,440 time because i just 1733 01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:54,840 i couldn't go there and um in august of 1734 01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,910 cindy was found dead on her kitchen 1735 01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:01,920 floor 1736 01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,480 her husband had just died 10 months 1737 01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:06,320 before that 1738 01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:10,239 and she had she she had literally drank 1739 01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:17,350 and that was in 2016 so from 15 1740 01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:22,960 august of 2015 so from september of 2011 1741 01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:26,400 until august of 2015 and police chief 1742 01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,040 begal 1743 01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:29,520 was involved in the phone calls with me 1744 01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:32,480 from october of 2011 1745 01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:35,600 until 2017 so when 1746 01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:39,199 when cindy died 1747 01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:42,400 he was all i had left and i just i clung 1748 01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:42,880 to him 1749 01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:47,840 he was my he never had children 1750 01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:51,199 so i was like a daughter to him we spent 1751 01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:53,040 hours on the phone 1752 01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,030 and he uh he asked a lot of questions 1753 01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:03,600 and he gave me a lot of answers and i 1754 01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,639 realized 1755 01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,960 that he needed to talk about this as 1756 01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:07,920 much as i did 1757 01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:10,159 i didn't realize that right right at the 1758 01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:11,120 time 1759 01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:14,560 was he was he the police chief 1760 01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:17,760 in 1961 or was he one of the officers on 1761 01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:18,800 the scene 1762 01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,679 he was the police chief in 1961 and he 1763 01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,920 was the one who took calls for over 20 1764 01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,520 minutes at the station 1765 01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:27,520 one of the calls came from a city 1766 01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,360 councilman's wife who was a very good 1767 01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:30,960 friend of his 1768 01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:33,840 and he got a call from the officer in 1769 01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,199 the unmarked car 1770 01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:37,040 on the two-way radio they had two-way 1771 01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:38,880 radios back then 1772 01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:42,000 and martin cohen said strange object 1773 01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:42,880 overhead 1774 01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:46,639 sinned cars and that's when 1775 01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:50,639 police chief lee begall sent the 1776 01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:53,600 two police officers in the marked police 1777 01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:54,080 car 1778 01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:01,030 what happened uh with uh what mcgall 1779 01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,639 is his name beagle i'm sorry 1780 01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,440 uh with begual when he was immobilized 1781 01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:08,880 uh what did he tell 1782 01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:13,679 uh he wasn't immobilized 1783 01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:17,679 he was at the at the police department 1784 01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:20,000 no that's the police chief but the 1785 01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:21,920 unmarked i'm talking about the unmarked 1786 01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,400 car 1787 01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:24,960 what did they feel and what did they 1788 01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:30,790 him 1789 01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,120 well he took the chief to the spot later 1790 01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:37,840 where the with his the ship had hovered 1791 01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:40,159 i've got that recording and uh 1792 01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,159 showed him you know where the ship had 1793 01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:44,560 hovered and 1794 01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:48,400 of course i asked if there were 1795 01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:51,520 any marks you know and the chief said no 1796 01:24:55,679 --> 01:25:01,750 but he talked about 1797 01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:06,310 the military investigation 1798 01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:09,760 and i i remembered 1799 01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:12,880 as soon as he said 1800 01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:19,110 i remembered looking out the window and 1801 01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:21,840 seeing a police car with its lights on 1802 01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:25,120 escorting a car up up my driveway and my 1803 01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:26,000 father 1804 01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:37,199 pointing at the door of the hallway for 1805 01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:38,560 me to go to my bedroom 1806 01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:41,840 and shut the door 1807 01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,880 well well i was a nosy kid i didn't shut 1808 01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:46,480 the door all the way 1809 01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:50,400 i um i could hear my dad yelling and 1810 01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:58,870 after and i jump all over the place 1811 01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:00,159 because 1812 01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:03,840 it's so complicated after cindy died 1813 01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:07,520 it was after that i was walking in the 1814 01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:10,320 park behind my apartment 1815 01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:13,600 and she spoke to me and she said 1816 01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,639 those men those men 1817 01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:19,199 they came to your house they wanted to 1818 01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,239 talk to you 1819 01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:23,120 your father threatened to kill them and 1820 01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:23,679 that's 1821 01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:26,960 when i knew you i could avoid the 1822 01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:29,120 military investigation all i wanted 1823 01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:32,320 with begaul but now i couldn't anymore 1824 01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:34,880 and that's when i brought up the 1825 01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:36,159 military investigation 1826 01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:39,520 and i recorded that and he said well you 1827 01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:40,320 knew that 1828 01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,600 you knew there was a military 1829 01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:44,000 investigation 1830 01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,750 positively absolutely no until that 1831 01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:52,880 moment 1832 01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:54,880 and he said they came in from the air 1833 01:27:01,590 --> 01:26:56,880 force 1834 01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:05,270 doing a 1835 01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:08,560 an investigation was the word he used 1836 01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:11,040 doing a 1837 01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:15,120 an investigation and 1838 01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:16,719 he said he thought my father made a 1839 01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:19,679 mistake not letting them talk to me 1840 01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:23,360 and i said chief i was only 12. 1841 01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:30,229 my dad wasn't about to let them talk to 1842 01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,920 me i said my dad would have killed him 1843 01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:33,280 he would have killed them before he 1844 01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:39,510 and after that my dad was so protective 1845 01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:40,639 with me 1846 01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:43,280 i was grounded all the time i told the 1847 01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,000 chief i 1848 01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:46,960 i said i was grounded all the time i 1849 01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:47,679 couldn't 1850 01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:51,679 go out and play like other kids and 1851 01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:54,320 when dating time came i mean my dad was 1852 01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:54,800 just 1853 01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:01,990 yeah yeah um there were there were such 1854 01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:03,760 strict rules but i realized that the 1855 01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:05,440 reason that i was grounded all the time 1856 01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,400 is because 1857 01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,480 dad wanted to know where i was when i 1858 01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:11,040 was home i was safe 1859 01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:13,440 and my dad was in world war ii he was a 1860 01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:15,440 combat soldier and so he had 1861 01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:17,040 i didn't realize that he had 1862 01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:19,360 post-traumatic stress disorder too 1863 01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,480 you know hence all the spankings and and 1864 01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:24,159 his 1865 01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:31,040 uh he was a devoted father he was a good 1866 01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:37,990 well listen yeah go ahead finn i was 1867 01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,760 gonna say we can uh take our break now 1868 01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:41,600 we've got about 15 seconds 1869 01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:43,199 nancy oh i was just gonna say i was 1870 01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:47,040 always my dad's favorite well of course 1871 01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,560 of course let's take our break right 1872 01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:50,400 here this is fade to black 1873 01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,239 i am your host jimmy church tonight our 1874 01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,560 guest nancy tremaine is here 1875 01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:56,480 talking about her book it is called 1876 01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:58,159 enlightened chapters 1877 01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,840 of my life the links to everything over 1878 01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:01,679 at jimmychurchradio.com 1879 01:29:10,900 --> 01:29:03,120 we'll be right back after this short 1880 01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:10,910 break stay with us 1881 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01:32:39,760 you listen to us and we listen to you 1956 01:32:41,650 --> 01:32:40,480 and so 1957 01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:41,660 does the cia 1958 01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:44,719 [Music] 1959 01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:51,830 you are listening to fate to black with 1960 01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:59,110 oh hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to 1961 01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:00,239 jimmy church 1962 01:33:04,709 --> 01:33:03,360 this is revolution the revolution will 1963 01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:04,719 not be televised 1964 01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:20,830 [Music] 1965 01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:22,690 ciao 1966 01:33:46,850 --> 01:33:36,560 so 1967 01:33:46,860 --> 01:33:51,030 [Music] 1968 01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:52,870 all right welcome back fade to black i 1969 01:33:54,870 --> 01:33:54,480 am your host jimmy church tonight our 1970 01:33:57,030 --> 01:33:54,880 guest 1971 01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:57,040 is nancy tremaine moore with nancy in 1972 01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:59,520 just a second tomorrow night jack valet 1973 01:34:03,510 --> 01:34:01,600 paula harris are here talking about 1974 01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,520 their new book as well 1975 01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:05,520 right now i want to talk to you about 1976 01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:08,239 virtual shield virtual shield vpn you've 1977 01:34:12,390 --> 01:34:10,239 got to get to your own vpn 1978 01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:12,400 this is the world we live in today i've 1979 01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:15,280 got a top secret bunker secret location 1980 01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,360 nobody can find me one of the reasons 1981 01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:19,199 why well first off i'm in a secret 1982 01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:20,159 location 1983 01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:22,560 second reason i use virtual shield i've 1984 01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:24,639 got my own vpn nobody can find my 1985 01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:26,080 location through my 1986 01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:29,360 isp nobody knows what i search nobody 1987 01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:30,159 knows what i 1988 01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:33,520 do you need to be like me it's very 1989 01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:34,960 simple to do i do it for a lot of 1990 01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:36,400 different reasons number one 1991 01:34:41,109 --> 01:34:39,360 strict no log policy of virtual shield 1992 01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:41,119 everything you do is not logged that's 1993 01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:42,480 number one number two 1994 01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:45,760 encrypted servers all around the world 1995 01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:49,600 you need this virtual shield dot com 1996 01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:51,679 forward slash fade to black is where you 1997 01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:54,239 go you can also click on the link 1998 01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:56,400 in the video description box below and 1999 01:35:01,430 --> 01:34:57,679 you do that you will get 2000 01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:01,440 virtual shield vpn for 50 off today 2001 01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:04,719 do it now all right 2002 01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:08,400 do it my guest tonight nancy tremaine 2003 01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:11,760 and and nancy uh uh i want to back up 2004 01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:12,159 for 2005 01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:15,840 a quick second um we we kind of went 2006 01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:17,600 over this really quickly 2007 01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:22,800 uh before but so from 2011 to 2015 2008 01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:24,880 that gave you the opportunity after 50 2009 01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:26,960 years to hang out with cindy 2010 01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:30,000 and and and talk right 2011 01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:33,440 and and the um 2012 01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:35,760 how do i say this there must have been a 2013 01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:38,159 lot of emotions going back and forth 2014 01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:42,480 but it is also something for you to 2015 01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:45,679 uh to be able to confirm these 2016 01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:48,320 these memories and these experiences 2017 01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:49,280 that you shared 2018 01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,719 right absolutely um i believe that we 2019 01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:54,480 were programmed 2020 01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:57,199 the three of us chief begal uh cindy and 2021 01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:57,520 i 2022 01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:59,840 all three of us were programmed to 2023 01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:01,280 awaken 2024 01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:04,560 50 years later and i 2025 01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:07,040 i say is that part of the eisenhower 2026 01:36:11,910 --> 01:36:07,760 treaty 2027 01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,109 i don't know um 2028 01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:17,920 but it's it's more than i ironic that we 2029 01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:19,679 would all awaken within a one-month 2030 01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:20,880 period of each other 2031 01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:22,840 right for cindy second and then the 2032 01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:31,510 he did um 2033 01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:33,920 an interview with the detroit historical 2034 01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:35,119 society 2035 01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,840 i did with him september 6 2017 and they 2036 01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:40,960 have yet to 2037 01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:43,520 release the interview but i have the 2038 01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:45,119 entire thing recorded on 2039 01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:48,639 two different recorders and i brought a 2040 01:36:55,510 --> 01:36:50,719 police officer a former police officer 2041 01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,430 and anything that's in in the book that 2042 01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,360 i said is a transcription i have the 2043 01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:01,600 recordings of everything 2044 01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:04,960 so the interview 2045 01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:06,880 still hasn't made it and it's sad 2046 01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,960 because begual said he wanted to do this 2047 01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:09,840 interview 2048 01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:11,840 not just for me but for all the people 2049 01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:14,400 of novi that had suffered 2050 01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:16,880 and he spoke freely he spoke about the 2051 01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:19,600 military investigation 2052 01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:21,600 and the detroit historical society had 2053 01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:24,000 done an interview with him a year prior 2054 01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:32,629 you know the um definition of a 2055 01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,159 historical society 2056 01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:36,239 is an organization dedicated to 2057 01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:39,199 preserving collecting and researching 2058 01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:41,600 that is their purpose to help future 2059 01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:44,719 generations understand their history 2060 01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:48,400 so i'm really pissed and uh 2061 01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:51,840 right yeah right and there's there's 2062 01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:54,560 there's another uh point you keep uh 2063 01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,719 going back to nancy drew 2064 01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:58,320 which is something that you bring up in 2065 01:38:03,109 --> 01:37:59,840 the book you you just 2066 01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:03,119 i'm nancy drew and i want to point out 2067 01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:03,679 to 2068 01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,440 conversation earlier 2069 01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:10,080 the sermon that happened that you went 2070 01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:11,119 and found 2071 01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:14,480 uh the uh the the martian question 2072 01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:17,360 you've got this in the book everybody 2073 01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:17,679 can 2074 01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:21,600 go i'm telling you yes it's right here 2075 01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:26,000 and and this martian question sermon 2076 01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:29,280 is uh the church for all 2077 01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:32,960 by the way right for all the church 2078 01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:36,080 that's pretty insane right it's one 2079 01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:36,639 thing 2080 01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:40,560 when i say insane it it's insane 2081 01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:43,440 to to put all the pieces together to 2082 01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:44,560 hear you say 2083 01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:47,280 but here it is in the in the book and 2084 01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:49,440 you can see it for yourself that's nancy 2085 01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:52,639 drew that's nancy drew getting it done 2086 01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,510 so yeah nancy's just laughing at me 2087 01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:04,880 right now everybody that's 2088 01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:07,040 that's what's going on but but well i 2089 01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:08,560 dedicated um 2090 01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:11,679 uh enlightened chief the gaul for daring 2091 01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:12,000 for 2092 01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:15,600 sharing 2093 01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:17,360 information putting his stellar 2094 01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:19,920 reputation all you have to do is google 2095 01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:22,159 police chief lee begal novi there's 2096 01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:23,760 videos of him 2097 01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:27,360 there are he was um police chief or 2098 01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:29,760 police officer of the year in 2019 and 2099 01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:31,199 he hadn't been a police officer for 2100 01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,320 years 2101 01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:35,360 he died um now your microphone is all 2102 01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:40,790 just keeps going up yes it's it's i'm 2103 01:39:44,310 --> 01:39:41,679 watching it 2104 01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:44,320 move i don't know what's making it move 2105 01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:45,760 it's crazy it's going 2106 01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:48,880 up and down and uh 2107 01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:50,880 earlier i didn't want to say anything 2108 01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:52,000 about this 2109 01:39:58,390 --> 01:39:56,080 just tell me that your window was open 2110 01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:58,400 my window was open yeah just tell me 2111 01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:00,080 where the blinds are 2112 01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,440 to your right there 2113 01:40:07,109 --> 01:40:05,280 yeah the blinds are right here yeah is 2114 01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,119 the window open 2115 01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:09,360 no because the blinds have been moving 2116 01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:11,520 through this entire interview 2117 01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:14,960 that's my cat oh that's your cat 2118 01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:17,119 she walks behind man i have been 2119 01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:19,840 tripping on that 2120 01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,520 i've been watching i'm like man there's 2121 01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:23,920 something in the room 2122 01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:26,719 the window must be open now okay so it's 2123 01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:28,000 the cat 2124 01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:31,520 i've been watching it but transfixed on 2125 01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,320 that man 2126 01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:34,080 okay all right let's get back let's get 2127 01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:36,239 back to business here get back to 2128 01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:39,520 chief begal he died 2129 01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:43,440 february 29 2020 2130 01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:50,629 a few months shy of his 100th birthday 2131 01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:52,960 of course i hadn't seen him or talked to 2132 01:40:58,149 --> 01:40:55,360 him since 2017 2133 01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:58,159 um the detroit historical society 2134 01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,920 because 2135 01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:01,360 he got to the point where he couldn't go 2136 01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:03,280 up the stairs anymore so he was moved in 2137 01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:05,520 with family and i think that they 2138 01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,320 well i don't think they they kept him up 2139 01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:09,840 away from me 2140 01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:12,639 but i did stay on facebook and i'm still 2141 01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:14,719 friends with his nephew brian begall who 2142 01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:17,600 is also a police officer 2143 01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:21,199 sheriff of awasa county 2144 01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,400 here in michigan and 2145 01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:26,560 when i told him i dedicated the book to 2146 01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:28,000 chief begal he said 2147 01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:30,000 that he was going to bring him to meet 2148 01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:33,280 me and i was so excited and it was just 2149 01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:36,239 right after that the chief went downhill 2150 01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:36,560 and 2151 01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:40,639 uh ended up in the hospital where 2152 01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:44,000 uh pneumonia and he and he died i went 2153 01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:46,719 to his memorial 2154 01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:48,639 a friend of mine jeff dimmers who 2155 01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:50,719 actually published 2156 01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:54,080 enlightened uh took me because i 2157 01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:57,440 i was a mess losing cindy was enough and 2158 01:42:01,590 --> 01:41:57,840 then 2159 01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:01,600 when believed she it was just too much 2160 01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:05,199 sure sure absolutely um 2161 01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:08,560 i i wanted to ask you this uh because 2162 01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,679 i've got a bunch of questions before we 2163 01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:13,600 get to the next segment because i want 2164 01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:15,040 to talk about some other stuff when we 2165 01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:16,159 come back 2166 01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:20,000 but the your 2167 01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:24,000 incident it's meadowbrook road right 2168 01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:27,040 yes was not the only sighting in 2169 01:42:32,189 --> 01:42:30,239 in novi no there was another really good 2170 01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,199 sighting another daylight sighting in 2171 01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:34,000 1972 by 2172 01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:37,600 mrs florence mcdermott who happens to be 2173 01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:40,800 the grandmother of um bill mcdermott 2174 01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:43,199 that i went to school with hi bill 2175 01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:46,000 uh from elementary junior high in high 2176 01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:46,960 school 2177 01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:51,679 and um he couldn't ignore 2178 01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:55,040 um you know these people that i went to 2179 01:42:58,629 --> 01:42:56,560 school with 2180 01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:58,639 they follow me but they never bring up 2181 01:43:01,990 --> 01:42:59,920 any of this 2182 01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:02,000 stuff right and he couldn't ignore when 2183 01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:09,109 newspaper article i found of her 2184 01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:12,400 exciting front page front page news 2185 01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:15,840 there she is yep there she is they made 2186 01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,400 it 2187 01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:18,800 really looks silly a tea totaler you 2188 01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:20,960 know she said i 2189 01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:24,080 i'm a tea totaler 2190 01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:26,000 but and she had other people with her 2191 01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:27,920 there were three or four people 2192 01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:30,560 with her yeah there was an actual report 2193 01:43:36,830 --> 01:43:31,600 made this time 2194 01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:39,669 um i got it where are my notes yeah 2195 01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:41,760 um don't worry about it don't worry 2196 01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:43,040 about it 2197 01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:46,560 three she saw three three ships um 2198 01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,000 flying saucers and uh there's a daylight 2199 01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:52,320 sighting she was hanging out laundry 2200 01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,440 and her i'm just pulling from 2201 01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:57,920 what my memories her next-door neighbor 2202 01:44:02,629 --> 01:43:59,600 was her daughter-in-law 2203 01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:02,639 her son and daughter-in-law and she came 2204 01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:03,360 over and 2205 01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:05,119 she told her what she had seen and she 2206 01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:06,880 said oh she was joking with her what 2207 01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:08,159 you've been drinking 2208 01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:11,040 sure enough here comes number two so 2209 01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:11,840 then a man 2210 01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:21,270 they all saw the second and third one 2211 01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:24,400 so well i have to add what what is it 2212 01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:26,719 about novi 2213 01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:29,119 well you know also you know if i just 2214 01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:30,639 went on the map 2215 01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,719 less than a year ago this is where the 2216 01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:34,320 billion dollars was 2217 01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,920 the the billion dollar winner 2218 01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:37,679 multi-billion dollars 2219 01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:39,280 that was right down the road from where 2220 01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:40,800 i grew up 2221 01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:42,639 less than a mile from where the ship had 2222 01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:44,000 hovered um 2223 01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:46,639 the kroger they bought the lottery 2224 01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:47,280 ticket 2225 01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:50,639 there it was uh several people had 2226 01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:53,920 bought it but it was novi unbelievable 2227 01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:54,880 yeah that's crazy 2228 01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:56,800 well that means your your roads are 2229 01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:04,070 right 2230 01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:09,189 um but yeah what is it about novi 2231 01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:10,870 i mean have you have you thought about 2232 01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:12,960 this if you go back 2233 01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:16,000 um and i want to go back to the uh 2234 01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,679 the moment in in 1961 that ship is there 2235 01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:21,360 for a reason 2236 01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:24,800 you know okay okay the 2237 01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:27,920 uh the the lit 2238 01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:31,440 windows from the outside the visibility 2239 01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:35,040 the appearance it it's there it's being 2240 01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:36,719 seen by 2241 01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:40,000 by by so many people um 2242 01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:43,280 it's novi right and then you got uh 2243 01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:46,639 mcdermott yeah 10 years later 2244 01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:53,590 i i'm i'm just blown away because novi 2245 01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:54,480 is not we're not 2246 01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:57,360 this isn't detroit right it's not even 2247 01:46:02,709 --> 01:45:58,159 lansing 2248 01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:02,719 it's nobody yeah everybody teased me uh 2249 01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:05,840 you live in the styx you know it's not 2250 01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:13,910 um begall set some really high standards 2251 01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:15,600 for the police officers they had to have 2252 01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:18,000 a four-year college degree 2253 01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:21,119 and um no record 2254 01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:24,880 and uh that those are the days when 2255 01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:28,719 you know police officers were you know 2256 01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:31,920 friends with everybody and you know 2257 01:46:38,830 --> 01:46:35,360 and and and staying with this uh because 2258 01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:38,840 bengal had to deal with mcdermott in in 2259 01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:40,000 1971. 2260 01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:43,520 you and your situation in 1961 the air 2261 01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:44,560 force being there 2262 01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:47,679 investigating in the small town he 2263 01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:51,679 is the police chief he's got to deal 2264 01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:54,800 with all of this and what 2265 01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:57,840 right what did he tell you uh 2266 01:47:01,590 --> 01:47:00,239 what was his life like for those 50 2267 01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:01,600 years 2268 01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:04,000 well we talked a lot he told me that 2269 01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:05,280 well he never married 2270 01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:14,629 that was it for him which i thought was 2271 01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:28,149 share with me right um he had been in 2272 01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:31,990 the two wars 2273 01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:35,750 his brother was killed yeah his brother 2274 01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:36,080 was 2275 01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:45,430 yeah he'd gone through a lot um and now 2276 01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:45,920 he's 2277 01:47:57,430 --> 01:47:53,840 with uh with this did he become 2278 01:48:03,189 --> 01:47:57,440 uh an investigator of the ufo subject 2279 01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,189 no he didn't talk about this with uh 2280 01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:07,520 anyone and martin cohn 2281 01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:09,840 sadly had died i said let's get a hold 2282 01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,040 of martin cohen 2283 01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:13,440 and martin cohen had died just before 2284 01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:14,960 2011 2285 01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:17,520 and the only one left is um dick 2286 01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:19,119 faulkner 2287 01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:22,400 he goes by dick he's the one that turned 2288 01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:23,360 fbi 2289 01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:26,080 and i approached him and i tried to get 2290 01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:27,360 him to speak 2291 01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:29,360 and he acted like he didn't know what 2292 01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:31,600 what i was talking about 2293 01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:35,440 and i said the ufo 2294 01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:39,040 from 1961 and he turned his back and 2295 01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:40,719 walked away from me this was at chief 2296 01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:43,520 begall's 95th birthday party 2297 01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:45,280 and chief begal and i talked about it 2298 01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:48,080 and he said he probably 2299 01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:52,800 he he's fbi now and he's in his 80s he's 2300 01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:56,000 13 years older than me so he's in his 2301 01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:56,960 80s 2302 01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:59,520 and chicago said he probably didn't want 2303 01:49:01,669 --> 01:49:00,000 to talk 2304 01:49:03,270 --> 01:49:01,679 with you about it because he had been 2305 01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:03,280 told 2306 01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:07,360 not to you know um 2307 01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,400 and i believe he's still alive 2308 01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:12,639 i check obituaries every every few 2309 01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:13,520 months you know 2310 01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:22,550 and the uh the air force investigation 2311 01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:25,599 uh what did bengal have to say about 2312 01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:27,199 that did they approach him 2313 01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:29,360 yes yeah he said they came to the 2314 01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:30,480 station 2315 01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:34,320 and um he said they knew how to talk 2316 01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:36,239 and i said what do you mean he said well 2317 01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:38,639 they knew what questions to ask 2318 01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:41,119 to help and this is in my my recording 2319 01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:41,679 and i 2320 01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:44,560 just love to be playing it um they knew 2321 01:49:47,430 --> 01:49:45,360 how to talk 2322 01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:47,440 and i said what do you mean well they 2323 01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:49,520 knew what questions to ask 2324 01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:52,800 to help jar my memory now why would they 2325 01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,560 want to jar his memory from something 2326 01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:56,560 that had just happened 2327 01:50:03,510 --> 01:49:59,119 yeah he was letting me know that they 2328 01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:07,109 what he was going to feel or say 2329 01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,159 yeah um 2330 01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:12,880 how to change his story how to alter the 2331 01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:14,320 story 2332 01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:17,920 no he never never did um 2333 01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:20,480 he just never spoke about it we were all 2334 01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:21,119 silenced 2335 01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:24,080 they went door to door the military went 2336 01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:24,880 door 2337 01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:29,440 taken the ship hovered for over 20 2338 01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:32,880 minutes against a clear blue sky 2339 01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:35,920 mr lewt cindy's father had time to get 2340 01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:38,080 the um 2341 01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:45,189 so you know there were pictures taken 2342 01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:46,880 they were absolutely and you know that 2343 01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:48,400 the pictures that were taken 2344 01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:52,480 were taken 2345 01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,320 would you call this um because 2346 01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:58,560 you were you know brought into the you 2347 01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,560 brought yourself into the ufo community 2348 01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:02,159 in 2011 2349 01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:05,440 but now you you must understand that 2350 01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:07,840 this was a men in black 2351 01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:11,280 uh a situation where now you've got 2352 01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:14,400 them in in town and they're gonna do 2353 01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:15,040 what they 2354 01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:17,119 they have to do with with everybody 2355 01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:18,400 there and that's exactly 2356 01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:21,040 what went on right yes and that's when 2357 01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:22,639 my mom took me to stay with the 2358 01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:23,520 strangers 2359 01:51:33,589 --> 01:51:28,560 after that just get me out of town 2360 01:51:33,599 --> 01:51:37,109 you know i felt like 2361 01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:39,189 i felt very unloved i didn't have a 2362 01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:40,880 close relationship with her to begin 2363 01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,149 so it was really hard and i don't know 2364 01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:48,719 how long i stayed with these people 2365 01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,920 their last name was sheehy they had 2366 01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:54,000 three boys 2367 01:52:02,070 --> 01:51:58,870 when you say you don't know how long was 2368 01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:02,080 it for a summer was it for a while 2369 01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:04,159 just for a few days because also in the 2370 01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:05,119 novi news 2371 01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:08,320 article of the the church sermon right 2372 01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:11,520 is my sister's um announcement to get 2373 01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,599 married 2374 01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:15,360 so her wedding announcement was in the 2375 01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:22,310 art with the martian question 2376 01:52:25,589 --> 01:52:23,679 i mean there's just so many 2377 01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:25,599 synchronicities to my 2378 01:52:30,550 --> 01:52:28,719 to my story i mean we haven't even 2379 01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:30,560 gotten 2380 01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:33,920 the picture that is in that church 2381 01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:34,560 sermon 2382 01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:38,239 is is crazy 2383 01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:41,040 yeah that that is great um uh before we 2384 01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:42,080 get to the break 2385 01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,520 so you're with the sheehys 2386 01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:47,280 for a few days your dad goes to 2387 01:52:52,470 --> 01:52:48,800 california 2388 01:52:56,830 --> 01:52:52,480 he gets the job offer for australia but 2389 01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:58,390 california 2390 01:53:01,910 --> 01:53:00,480 i don't know i just remember that it was 2391 01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:01,920 a really big deal 2392 01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:05,760 that my dad the military nobody in 2393 01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:09,119 in california asked him about you 2394 01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:12,159 or what happened to novi my dad never 2395 01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:13,280 talked about what was 2396 01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:16,880 what happened in uh in california 2397 01:53:20,629 --> 01:53:18,800 we never spoke about it my dad and i 2398 01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:20,639 never spoke about this event ever 2399 01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:24,840 ever ever it just 2400 01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:28,159 um that's the way my family 2401 01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:31,040 was um sweep everything under the rug 2402 01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:32,480 you know we've got the uncle that 2403 01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:34,000 molests everybody 2404 01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:37,599 and family knows but just sweep it under 2405 01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:39,520 the rug pretend it doesn't happen 2406 01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:46,709 wow um 2407 01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:50,159 uh now this is the this is the other 2408 01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:51,040 part 2409 01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:53,040 and i asked you about this earlier when 2410 01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:54,639 we come back we're going to talk about 2411 01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:55,599 what being 2412 01:54:02,149 --> 01:53:58,719 uh an experience or coming out 2413 01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:02,159 uh has been like for you um over the 2414 01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:05,280 those 50 years and and going up uh 2415 01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:09,760 to finally uh get back with cindy 2416 01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:12,480 as you are assembling these memories and 2417 01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:14,960 putting it back together for you 2418 01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:18,400 the ship itself when you said that it 2419 01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:21,040 was above the trees 2420 01:54:27,669 --> 01:54:24,800 help me understand the size of it 2421 01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:27,679 are you able to understand you know the 2422 01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:29,760 size of it now today 2423 01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:32,400 yes it was at least as large as our 2424 01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:34,320 three-bedroom ranch home 2425 01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:37,360 but it was twice as tall it was large it 2426 01:54:41,750 --> 01:54:38,480 was 2427 01:54:44,790 --> 01:54:41,760 good size um 2428 01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:44,800 and the 12 year old nancy that draw 2429 01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:51,910 you can see the size of it you know 2430 01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:53,040 compared to 2431 01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:57,040 the tree and yeah 2432 01:55:04,229 --> 01:55:01,119 and there's so much um that 2433 01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:04,239 we haven't even gotten to the um to the 2434 01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:05,440 mental boggle point 2435 01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:13,990 the pregnancy that i went through um 2436 01:55:17,109 --> 01:55:16,080 let's talk about that let's talk about 2437 01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:17,119 that 2438 01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:22,480 i was dating a man in 2012. 2439 01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:25,520 and um well i'm 2440 01:55:30,830 --> 01:55:28,400 just gonna tell like it was um the 2441 01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:30,840 chemistry between us was unbelievable 2442 01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:33,920 unbelievable in bed 2443 01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:41,750 we were having sex and words just came 2444 01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:42,800 out of my mouth 2445 01:55:52,149 --> 01:55:46,560 they just came out i said i'm pregnant 2446 01:55:59,109 --> 01:55:55,750 i didn't have any control 2447 01:56:00,870 --> 01:55:59,119 of saying what i said 2448 01:56:02,390 --> 01:56:00,880 and after that and there's picture in 2449 01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:02,400 the book 2450 01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:04,800 and linda molten howe called me i sent 2451 01:56:14,229 --> 01:56:11,589 we can jump of my pregnancy 2452 01:56:15,270 --> 01:56:14,239 and um an event that i had with angelic 2453 01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:15,280 beings 2454 01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:18,639 there's so much um 2455 01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:22,480 and uh i tell you 2456 01:56:28,390 --> 01:56:26,639 she called me in november of 2016 and 2457 01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:28,400 she said and this is her quote and i 2458 01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:30,320 love her she said i've never been put 2459 01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:31,599 off by things that are 2460 01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:34,800 described as incomprehensible 2461 01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:36,800 and only the mind of a really great 2462 01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:38,560 researcher would be able to say those 2463 01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:39,840 words 2464 01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,199 um we talked for a long time um i was 2465 01:56:47,669 --> 01:56:45,599 lucky enough to meet her in 2018 at the 2466 01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:47,679 ozark conference and we were alone 2467 01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:49,520 in the car driving back to the airport 2468 01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:50,800 for two hours 2469 01:56:57,750 --> 01:56:54,000 i got to spend talking with her 2470 01:57:02,950 --> 01:56:57,760 but she said in all 2471 01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:02,960 1500 women that she had 2472 01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:06,080 in the abduction syndrome i was the only 2473 01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:08,159 person 2474 01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:10,480 that has described the pregnancy and 2475 01:57:14,149 --> 01:57:12,239 shown a picture 2476 01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:14,159 now i'm very tiny you can see that right 2477 01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:16,719 here and you see the picture in the 2478 01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:19,199 in the and the guy that i was dating i 2479 01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:21,679 call him sid someone i dated 2480 01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:23,360 kept saying what's up with your stomach 2481 01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:24,960 what's up with your stomach and i said 2482 01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:27,520 i'm pregnant 2483 01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:30,880 and i was and 2484 01:57:38,470 --> 01:57:34,560 pregnancies last what 2485 01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:38,480 was removed april 15th another 2486 01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:40,719 synchronicity is i was speaking at ozark 2487 01:57:44,390 --> 01:57:42,000 on april 15th 2488 01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:44,400 the day that he was removed i mean the 2489 01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:46,639 dates throughout the book 2490 01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:48,639 the synchronicities they're they're 2491 01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:50,159 they're unbelievable 2492 01:57:57,830 --> 01:57:53,920 um how old were you in in 2012 2493 01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:57,840 i was 62 and i had a tubal ligation 2494 01:58:01,669 --> 01:57:59,520 right and i had gone through my change 2495 01:58:04,070 --> 01:58:01,679 of life very young i started my change 2496 01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:04,080 of life when i was like 39. 2497 01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:07,520 um so there was absolutely no way i 2498 01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:09,599 could have gotten pregnant but i was and 2499 01:58:13,109 --> 01:58:11,599 i had morning sickness i had morning 2500 01:58:13,510 --> 01:58:13,119 sickness and i remember the date was 2501 01:58:16,709 --> 01:58:13,520 march 2502 01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:16,719 8th and another synchronicity 2503 01:58:30,149 --> 01:58:27,030 not funeral but memorial and i had 2504 01:58:32,950 --> 01:58:30,159 morning sickness for like 24 hours 2505 01:58:34,149 --> 01:58:32,960 and um it was just like when i was 2506 01:58:38,550 --> 01:58:34,159 pregnant for my daughter 2507 01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:38,560 i mean i knew and um sid 2508 01:58:43,189 --> 01:58:40,159 would make light of it it was almost 2509 01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:47,270 he couldn't wrap his head around it 2510 01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:50,550 but i was pregnant and um i was given 2511 01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:58,950 you know i want to say 2512 01:59:03,109 --> 01:59:01,109 this is a term coined by the late jim 2513 01:59:05,270 --> 01:59:03,119 mars the mental boggle point when even 2514 01:59:06,149 --> 01:59:05,280 the most open-minded are confronted with 2515 01:59:09,350 --> 01:59:06,159 information 2516 01:59:11,270 --> 01:59:09,360 so unbelievable that the mind succumbs 2517 01:59:13,189 --> 01:59:11,280 to a rubber band effect 2518 01:59:16,149 --> 01:59:13,199 snapping back to things that are more 2519 01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:16,159 comfortable and socially acceptable 2520 01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:18,719 so i understand that that a lot of 2521 01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:21,199 people are gonna 2522 01:59:26,550 --> 01:59:24,639 but it's also helping people who are 2523 01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:26,560 experiencers that have experienced what 2524 01:59:36,149 --> 01:59:29,360 i did i'm validating you 2525 01:59:40,709 --> 01:59:39,109 how how um i've only got about 20 2526 01:59:44,070 --> 01:59:40,719 seconds oh by the way 2527 01:59:46,229 --> 01:59:44,080 lee begal that dude 2528 01:59:48,149 --> 01:59:46,239 this picture of him he's the coolest guy 2529 01:59:49,750 --> 01:59:48,159 ever 2530 01:59:51,589 --> 01:59:49,760 he's the coolest guy his son looks 2531 01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:51,599 pretty pretty rocking too 2532 01:59:54,870 --> 01:59:53,760 as well but no he never had any children 2533 01:59:56,870 --> 01:59:54,880 that's his nephew 2534 01:59:58,149 --> 01:59:56,880 oh chief oh i'm sorry i thought that was 2535 02:00:00,709 --> 01:59:58,159 that's his nephew 2536 02:00:02,310 --> 02:00:00,719 he looks pretty cool but lee has got it 2537 02:00:09,030 --> 02:00:02,320 together 2538 02:00:11,270 --> 02:00:09,040 emotional side of this the toll that all 2539 02:00:13,510 --> 02:00:11,280 of this has to have taken 2540 02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:13,520 um and i've only got about 15 seconds 2541 02:00:18,629 --> 02:00:15,199 before we have to take the break 2542 02:00:21,189 --> 02:00:18,639 how are you today right 2543 02:00:23,030 --> 02:00:21,199 i'll be honest with you i'm i i suffer 2544 02:00:25,910 --> 02:00:23,040 with post-traumatic stress disorder 2545 02:00:27,109 --> 02:00:25,920 i have panic attacks um extreme 2546 02:00:29,430 --> 02:00:27,119 depression 2547 02:00:31,109 --> 02:00:29,440 but i've learned to live with this this 2548 02:00:37,350 --> 02:00:31,119 is how i 2549 02:00:41,189 --> 02:00:39,189 when we get through with this interview 2550 02:00:42,470 --> 02:00:41,199 i will be completely emotionally like a 2551 02:00:44,790 --> 02:00:42,480 dishrag 2552 02:00:46,229 --> 02:00:44,800 but you are it's okay because this is 2553 02:00:48,229 --> 02:00:46,239 cathartic for me 2554 02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:48,239 right and i'm helping people and this is 2555 02:00:55,510 --> 02:00:49,360 my mission 2556 02:00:57,109 --> 02:00:55,520 information that is so unbelievable with 2557 02:00:59,270 --> 02:00:57,119 the people who can 2558 02:01:01,109 --> 02:00:59,280 who are experiencing it to know that 2559 02:01:04,229 --> 02:01:01,119 they're not alone 2560 02:01:05,669 --> 02:01:04,239 this is going on well nancy you 2561 02:01:08,310 --> 02:01:05,679 you have to know you're gonna hear this 2562 02:01:12,070 --> 02:01:08,320 from me you have a great smile 2563 02:01:15,189 --> 02:01:13,430 we'll be right back after this short 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02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:16,239 links are over at jimmychurchradio.com 2674 02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:21,360 and uh nancy okay 2675 02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:23,840 i want to talk a little bit about our 2676 02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:24,719 community 2677 02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:29,520 which is wonderful 2678 02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:31,920 and uh and going through the book and i 2679 02:06:36,229 --> 02:06:33,040 see so many 2680 02:06:37,030 --> 02:06:36,239 of uh our mutual friends there kevin 2681 02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:37,040 estrella 2682 02:06:44,069 --> 02:06:40,800 for example yes uh by the way 2683 02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:44,079 an amazing guitar player did you okay 2684 02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:46,960 you you are aware of we're very good 2685 02:06:49,430 --> 02:06:47,520 friends 2686 02:06:50,950 --> 02:06:49,440 yeah you're aware of his shredding 2687 02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:50,960 abilities 2688 02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:54,480 his his ufo his ufo stuff 2689 02:06:59,350 --> 02:06:57,520 nothing compared to that guitar work 2690 02:07:00,870 --> 02:06:59,360 i hope he's listening right now kevin 2691 02:07:02,390 --> 02:07:00,880 you know we love you but then there's 2692 02:07:06,149 --> 02:07:02,400 grant cameron 2693 02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:06,159 um yeah no question about it 2694 02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:09,920 and uh and linda and for 2695 02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:13,520 um uh for you too because it's a nervous 2696 02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:14,480 step right these 2697 02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:17,040 these are steps that you have to take 2698 02:07:20,149 --> 02:07:17,840 but you 2699 02:07:24,830 --> 02:07:20,159 you you get exposed to the community and 2700 02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:28,470 it um 2701 02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:31,750 well i i'm so honest 2702 02:07:35,990 --> 02:07:35,280 um it's it's really difficult uh it's 2703 02:07:37,750 --> 02:07:36,000 not easy 2704 02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:37,760 uh i thought this was really going to be 2705 02:07:42,709 --> 02:07:39,440 a a i would 2706 02:07:43,510 --> 02:07:42,719 be welcomed and loved and uh there's a 2707 02:07:51,430 --> 02:07:43,520 lot of 2708 02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:51,440 welcome welcome i'm not gonna lie 2709 02:07:54,629 --> 02:07:54,000 i i'm telling it like it is yes it's 2710 02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:54,639 it's 2711 02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:57,840 yeah yeah a lot of people don't like 2712 02:08:01,109 --> 02:07:58,320 people 2713 02:08:01,510 --> 02:08:01,119 they have positive stories too and you 2714 02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:01,520 know 2715 02:08:04,790 --> 02:08:04,079 we've got we've got i'm looking at the 2716 02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:04,800 time 2717 02:08:08,470 --> 02:08:07,440 and i'm thinking my god we haven't even 2718 02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:08,480 talked about 2719 02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:10,159 you know these are the reptilian you 2720 02:08:15,109 --> 02:08:12,480 know mr the pilot 2721 02:08:15,990 --> 02:08:15,119 was reptilian right um we didn't even 2722 02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:16,000 get there 2723 02:08:20,629 --> 02:08:18,560 and there's just so much well i warned 2724 02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:20,639 you i told you i told you this was gonna 2725 02:08:23,669 --> 02:08:22,400 happen i told you we were going to run 2726 02:08:26,390 --> 02:08:23,679 out of time 2727 02:08:26,950 --> 02:08:26,400 and uh and that's that's the best part 2728 02:08:31,109 --> 02:08:26,960 of 2729 02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:31,119 time 2730 02:08:35,109 --> 02:08:33,440 it's it's you know i do three hours 2731 02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:35,119 every single night nancy 2732 02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:36,960 i never have enough time and you would 2733 02:08:39,990 --> 02:08:38,560 think right 2734 02:08:41,589 --> 02:08:40,000 there's enough time to get all of this 2735 02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:41,599 in and 2736 02:08:46,149 --> 02:08:44,320 uh reptilians is one thing i want to 2737 02:08:48,310 --> 02:08:46,159 talk about the buddhist monastery 2738 02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:48,320 that's what i oh that's where i want to 2739 02:08:52,310 --> 02:08:49,280 go next 2740 02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:52,320 but really but yeah i do 2741 02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:56,560 i do okay all right before we get there 2742 02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:58,880 let's talk about the reptilian okay so 2743 02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:00,960 what happened i'm gonna do it quick yeah 2744 02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:03,360 well people ask who are the reptilians 2745 02:09:08,069 --> 02:09:06,159 well i've only dealt with mister 2746 02:09:09,750 --> 02:09:08,079 and he was in human form like i said 2747 02:09:17,510 --> 02:09:09,760 when i was on the plane 2748 02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:20,149 they are teachers they are scientists 2749 02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:21,760 they are researchers 2750 02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:25,440 studying the emotions of love rage 2751 02:09:30,830 --> 02:09:28,960 fear and sexual pleasure and empathy is 2752 02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:30,840 their main concern 2753 02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:37,270 they study this via the pineal gland and 2754 02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:41,430 there was a first of its kind study on 2755 02:09:46,149 --> 02:09:42,880 empathy done 2756 02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:46,159 and america is a seventh 2757 02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:49,679 on the low below um peru 2758 02:09:56,950 --> 02:09:53,520 korea saudi arabia sure we are not um 2759 02:09:59,109 --> 02:09:56,960 the empathetic people that we you know 2760 02:10:03,030 --> 02:09:59,119 and humanity is losing empathy and 2761 02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:06,229 they're here is there well 2762 02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:10,000 okay so is empathy what people 2763 02:10:15,589 --> 02:10:13,040 think of when there's an abduction that 2764 02:10:18,870 --> 02:10:15,599 doesn't sound too empathetic 2765 02:10:19,510 --> 02:10:18,880 right for and i understand what you're 2766 02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:19,520 saying 2767 02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:23,280 i i totally hear you but for others out 2768 02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:24,719 there that hear about this 2769 02:10:29,910 --> 02:10:28,719 and the visual of a reptilian 2770 02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:29,920 and the way that they've been 2771 02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:32,400 represented in culture 2772 02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:35,040 this the word empathy is not what people 2773 02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:35,520 think of 2774 02:10:40,149 --> 02:10:38,800 first well they're missing so much 2775 02:10:43,430 --> 02:10:40,159 because i've got 2776 02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:43,440 an entire book on um the love 2777 02:10:57,510 --> 02:10:54,830 the information that i've been given 2778 02:11:01,910 --> 02:10:57,520 um 2779 02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:01,920 that when you're 12 2780 02:11:05,750 --> 02:11:04,320 empathy is a word that you probably have 2781 02:11:08,310 --> 02:11:05,760 never heard of before 2782 02:11:10,550 --> 02:11:08,320 but you know but you but you understand 2783 02:11:14,390 --> 02:11:10,560 the feeling of empathy 2784 02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:14,400 right and so when you are 2785 02:11:18,870 --> 02:11:16,320 doing your thing you know you're running 2786 02:11:21,910 --> 02:11:18,880 around being a 12 year old 2787 02:11:25,189 --> 02:11:21,920 did you feel empathy from the pilot 2788 02:11:27,030 --> 02:11:25,199 well i didn't know that right oh did i 2789 02:11:31,270 --> 02:11:27,040 feel empathy from the pilot 2790 02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:31,280 um yeah he looked like anybody's father 2791 02:11:39,910 --> 02:11:34,800 um and 2792 02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:44,709 whenever i want to ask a question 2793 02:11:49,270 --> 02:11:47,430 i get an answer not maybe not right away 2794 02:11:50,950 --> 02:11:49,280 but i kept asking who are you 2795 02:11:52,229 --> 02:11:50,960 that were giving me these messages 2796 02:11:53,750 --> 02:11:52,239 because i knew they were coming from a 2797 02:11:56,870 --> 02:11:53,760 place of love 2798 02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:56,880 and i was told you ask who we are 2799 02:12:00,229 --> 02:11:59,280 you have only to look in the mirror we 2800 02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:00,239 are you 2801 02:12:07,030 --> 02:12:03,920 we are all one um 2802 02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:07,040 did you understand what that meant well 2803 02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:08,480 these are messages that i've gotten 2804 02:12:12,870 --> 02:12:10,960 since 2011 all of this information that 2805 02:12:14,950 --> 02:12:12,880 i'm sharing now yes 2806 02:12:18,830 --> 02:12:14,960 um we are not alien to this planet or 2807 02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:25,350 um 2808 02:12:32,709 --> 02:12:29,510 yeah they're their main concern is 2809 02:12:35,589 --> 02:12:32,719 for the planet and um 2810 02:12:36,149 --> 02:12:35,599 hence the hybrids i don't understand all 2811 02:12:44,550 --> 02:12:36,159 of it 2812 02:12:46,310 --> 02:12:44,560 that i was chosen for this mission 2813 02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:46,320 and to be doing exactly what i'm doing 2814 02:12:51,109 --> 02:12:48,000 right now speaking about 2815 02:12:53,189 --> 02:12:51,119 this um i 2816 02:12:54,229 --> 02:12:53,199 the way that we communicate there's so 2817 02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:54,239 many ways 2818 02:12:58,870 --> 02:12:56,880 there's a knowing i know information and 2819 02:13:01,830 --> 02:12:58,880 i don't know how i know it it just 2820 02:13:05,669 --> 02:13:01,840 is there and then visions they put these 2821 02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:05,679 visions in my head like an old um 2822 02:13:12,709 --> 02:13:09,679 the slide projector until i draw it 2823 02:13:16,310 --> 02:13:15,109 and necromancy which is communicating 2824 02:13:19,750 --> 02:13:16,320 with the dead 2825 02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:19,760 this is something that i i 2826 02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:23,920 i did before i awakened long before that 2827 02:13:28,550 --> 02:13:26,000 with my grandmother she came to me after 2828 02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:28,560 she died 2829 02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:31,040 and cindy that was necromancy her 2830 02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:33,679 speaking to me 2831 02:13:39,910 --> 02:13:37,040 and my girlfriend that was murdered 2832 02:13:40,950 --> 02:13:39,920 that was necromancy and then samadhi 2833 02:13:46,790 --> 02:13:40,960 i've experienced 2834 02:13:50,149 --> 02:13:49,430 so much has been going on 10 years i've 2835 02:13:52,229 --> 02:13:50,159 been doing this 2836 02:13:53,589 --> 02:13:52,239 in 10 years of high strangeness and it 2837 02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:53,599 just gets 2838 02:13:56,390 --> 02:13:54,880 as you go through the chapters and 2839 02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:56,400 that's why i called it the chapters of 2840 02:14:01,990 --> 02:13:58,480 my life each chapter 2841 02:14:05,189 --> 02:14:02,000 becomes more and more unbelievable 2842 02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:05,199 um yeah the buddhist monastery that was 2843 02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:08,560 august 12 2018 and sokkasan 2844 02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:12,480 had read my book and he's he's the 2845 02:14:17,189 --> 02:14:15,040 he's the monk at the monastery yes he is 2846 02:14:21,589 --> 02:14:17,199 and he's a lovely man 2847 02:14:22,550 --> 02:14:21,599 hi silk was in and um i was invited to 2848 02:14:25,030 --> 02:14:22,560 speak 2849 02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:25,040 you know and meet with them at the 2850 02:14:30,550 --> 02:14:26,400 buddhist temple and 2851 02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:30,560 well he he you guys get in touch 2852 02:14:38,069 --> 02:14:34,159 because he's read your book yes 2853 02:14:42,629 --> 02:14:40,709 he really enjoyed the book um and and 2854 02:14:46,310 --> 02:14:42,639 the monastery is right there 2855 02:14:49,510 --> 02:14:46,320 in uh uh is it battle creek 2856 02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:49,520 battle creek um home of uh 2857 02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:53,360 home of kellogg's i believe 2858 02:14:57,589 --> 02:14:56,239 yes what is yes it is and uh you can 2859 02:15:01,109 --> 02:14:57,599 tell i'm from michigan when i 2860 02:15:03,510 --> 02:15:01,119 whip out those kind of facts um it is 2861 02:15:04,149 --> 02:15:03,520 i was greeted they were so open-minded 2862 02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:04,159 um 2863 02:15:10,390 --> 02:15:07,599 smiling faces and just beautiful people 2864 02:15:11,350 --> 02:15:10,400 um and he's got he's he's got an 2865 02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:11,360 interest in 2866 02:15:17,910 --> 02:15:14,800 in in ets and ufos oh absolutely 2867 02:15:20,149 --> 02:15:17,920 um dr john mack who you know 2868 02:15:20,950 --> 02:15:20,159 and and you said jacqueline is going to 2869 02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:20,960 be on tomorrow 2870 02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:24,880 and i just love him yeah he's great he's 2871 02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:26,239 great yes he is 2872 02:15:31,750 --> 02:15:30,880 i i i used some of his quotes in my in 2873 02:15:34,950 --> 02:15:31,760 my 2874 02:15:40,229 --> 02:15:38,069 yeah um so back to the monastery you're 2875 02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:40,239 invited to speak 2876 02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:42,800 um the picture that's in the book it's 2877 02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:43,440 not 2878 02:15:48,870 --> 02:15:47,280 quite what i think people would picture 2879 02:15:51,350 --> 02:15:48,880 when they're thinking of buddhist monks 2880 02:15:53,990 --> 02:15:51,360 in the monastery 2881 02:15:54,629 --> 02:15:54,000 yeah it's like going to someone's home 2882 02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:54,639 you know 2883 02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:56,159 you take off your shoes when you get 2884 02:16:03,589 --> 02:15:58,079 there and 2885 02:16:10,550 --> 02:16:06,709 just beautiful people 2886 02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:10,560 beautiful a loving 2887 02:16:13,669 --> 02:16:13,199 and i knew nothing about buddhism at all 2888 02:16:17,830 --> 02:16:13,679 you know 2889 02:16:21,109 --> 02:16:17,840 except for um i had to laugh because 2890 02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:21,119 kung fu the tv series 2891 02:16:25,669 --> 02:16:23,280 right i had a crush on david carradine 2892 02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:25,679 because he was that gentle 2893 02:16:30,830 --> 02:16:29,440 loving non-violent man which i'm always 2894 02:16:34,309 --> 02:16:30,840 attracted to 2895 02:16:37,270 --> 02:16:34,319 um so 2896 02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:37,280 i i said to him i want to come 2897 02:16:43,669 --> 02:16:39,200 completely 2898 02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:43,679 ignorant um an empty slate 2899 02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:46,960 and make my own judgment and so i when i 2900 02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:48,880 went i had no idea what i was 2901 02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:52,559 what i was going into and 2902 02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:02,629 we had a um 2903 02:17:05,990 --> 02:17:04,800 we had some private time with his wife 2904 02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:06,000 uno 2905 02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:10,479 and um what did you guys talk about 2906 02:17:17,190 --> 02:17:13,760 we talked about um mr and we went into 2907 02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:19,509 it was really weird uh the thing that 2908 02:17:25,589 --> 02:17:22,160 happened um 2909 02:17:27,509 --> 02:17:25,599 we went into a where we didn't talk he 2910 02:17:30,870 --> 02:17:27,519 wanted us to just 2911 02:17:34,309 --> 02:17:30,880 be just be and that's what we did 2912 02:17:38,790 --> 02:17:34,319 and i it was really weird because i 2913 02:17:42,070 --> 02:17:40,629 we had tapped in and i knew i tapped 2914 02:17:45,349 --> 02:17:42,080 into mister 2915 02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:45,359 and i felt his arms around me and he 2916 02:17:50,070 --> 02:17:47,599 told me i was safe 2917 02:17:53,110 --> 02:17:50,080 and i told sukkazan that and he said yes 2918 02:17:58,070 --> 02:17:56,549 and the microphone has now moved up to 2919 02:18:01,509 --> 02:17:58,080 your eye again 2920 02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:01,519 it's so crazy i'm just watching it 2921 02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:05,439 um when you were um when you're there 2922 02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:08,639 uh i'm looking at the picture and so 2923 02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:09,760 you've got the 2924 02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:12,880 the group around you and and 2925 02:18:19,030 --> 02:18:16,800 and what what did they ask 2926 02:18:21,349 --> 02:18:19,040 i'm i'm so interested in this what is it 2927 02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:21,359 that they wanted to hear from you 2928 02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:30,150 symbiosis we talked about the first book 2929 02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:32,080 the second book wasn't out 2930 02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:36,000 so we talked about symbiosis and 2931 02:18:44,230 --> 02:18:39,359 nothing shocked them or 2932 02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:46,389 were any of them experiencers that's 2933 02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:53,669 i don't know um 2934 02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:57,519 they none of them said they were 2935 02:19:01,830 --> 02:18:59,200 but it was weird because when we were in 2936 02:19:04,389 --> 02:19:01,840 the room um sokkazan his wife 2937 02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:04,399 me and i'm sorry i can't remember your 2938 02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:05,760 name 2939 02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:08,399 but he was going to be become a monk 2940 02:19:12,629 --> 02:19:08,800 just 2941 02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:12,639 like a couple weeks after that and 2942 02:19:17,270 --> 02:19:16,000 when we got through uh in our calm quiet 2943 02:19:20,469 --> 02:19:17,280 of nothing 2944 02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:20,479 silkessen asked what we felt and his 2945 02:19:24,549 --> 02:19:22,000 wife said 2946 02:19:25,750 --> 02:19:24,559 she felt water and it's weird because i 2947 02:19:29,270 --> 02:19:25,760 said i felt like i was 2948 02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:29,280 in this wave again right and the um 2949 02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:30,719 god i feel terrible because i can't 2950 02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:34,399 remember his name but he said he wanted 2951 02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:36,479 to tell me something 2952 02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:38,719 and um he was apprehensive and i looked 2953 02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:40,479 at sukkazan and soaked his and said to 2954 02:19:44,950 --> 02:19:42,559 him you can tell her 2955 02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:44,960 and he said and he looked me in the eyes 2956 02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:49,040 and he said i saw your death 2957 02:19:58,150 --> 02:19:53,520 what he said i saw your death 2958 02:20:02,150 --> 02:19:58,160 and um you were with 2959 02:20:06,469 --> 02:20:02,160 he said your your death will be very 2960 02:20:08,630 --> 02:20:06,479 unusual i i i'd have to 2961 02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:08,640 read my i have to read my own book to 2962 02:20:13,190 --> 02:20:10,800 because i take i take notes every day 2963 02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:13,200 sure sure took a diary every day but it 2964 02:20:16,870 --> 02:20:14,800 was something to that effect 2965 02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:16,880 you know i'm on the edge of my seat what 2966 02:20:22,150 --> 02:20:19,280 what wait a minute 2967 02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:22,160 he said he saw your death he saw my 2968 02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:23,439 death and it would be very 2969 02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:26,240 um unique unique was the word he used 2970 02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:27,520 and um 2971 02:20:36,309 --> 02:20:35,349 yeah he didn't leave it there what else 2972 02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:36,319 did he say 2973 02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:38,720 don't do it that's it that was where it 2974 02:20:42,830 --> 02:20:39,439 was left 2975 02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:42,840 yeah i mean that was a lot 2976 02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:45,840 for yeah 2977 02:20:52,790 --> 02:20:49,200 yeah right right um 2978 02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:52,800 i'm pretty cool with unique 2979 02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:56,399 right right i saw your death and it's 2980 02:20:57,840 --> 02:20:57,120 just going to be 2981 02:21:02,950 --> 02:20:57,850 average 2982 02:21:05,990 --> 02:21:02,960 [Laughter] 2983 02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:06,000 i saw your death it's no big deal no you 2984 02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:08,640 want to hear unique 2985 02:21:14,389 --> 02:21:12,399 what do you what do you think he meant 2986 02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:14,399 hey you thought you thought about this 2987 02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:15,520 over and over again 2988 02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:17,680 i know you yeah i have well i i've 2989 02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:18,560 already thought well 2990 02:21:22,230 --> 02:21:20,800 maybe you know the dear government you 2991 02:21:26,070 --> 02:21:22,240 know you know 2992 02:21:27,190 --> 02:21:26,080 sure maybe i just might know too much or 2993 02:21:31,429 --> 02:21:27,200 say too much i mean 2994 02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:31,439 my chapters um do i have time to 2995 02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:34,720 to to read something real quick you do 2996 02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:37,840 um it take all the time you want well 2997 02:21:41,270 --> 02:21:39,840 i thought this was an important chapter 2998 02:21:44,630 --> 02:21:41,280 there's so many 2999 02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:44,640 i mean my girlfriend's murder 3000 02:21:50,230 --> 02:21:47,280 the numbers which is unbelievable my 3001 02:21:53,870 --> 02:21:50,240 phone going to these numbers anyways 3002 02:21:56,150 --> 02:21:53,880 i wrote something in my sleep in 11 29 3003 02:21:58,230 --> 02:21:56,160 2017 i always keep 3004 02:22:00,550 --> 02:21:58,240 pad of paper and pen and well you could 3005 02:22:04,070 --> 02:22:00,560 look around here and see the mess 3006 02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:04,080 when i got up um i 3007 02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:08,800 scribbled across my pad were these words 3008 02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:11,280 realities or illusions are a part of the 3009 02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:13,760 delusion we have created 3010 02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:16,160 we are living in a delusional illusion 3011 02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:17,680 of our making 3012 02:22:22,870 --> 02:22:19,840 we are all players in this fictional 3013 02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:22,880 theater we perform for our creators 3014 02:22:28,309 --> 02:22:26,240 a muse existing for our audience 3015 02:22:31,110 --> 02:22:28,319 the stage is set at birth and our 3016 02:22:34,150 --> 02:22:31,120 performance has begun end quote 3017 02:22:36,070 --> 02:22:34,160 now outside of the scribbled words 3018 02:22:38,070 --> 02:22:36,080 that were just blowing my mind and i 3019 02:22:40,070 --> 02:22:38,080 held on to it for 12 days before i 3020 02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:40,080 shared with kevin estrella 3021 02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:46,469 because i just couldn't wrap my head 3022 02:22:49,030 --> 02:22:48,319 around it but outside of that was a 3023 02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:49,040 circle that 3024 02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:52,000 had drawn and the words consciousness 3025 02:22:55,270 --> 02:22:52,720 sound 3026 02:22:56,950 --> 02:22:55,280 light energy all those words were within 3027 02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:56,960 the circle 3028 02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:58,800 and i understood that that circle 3029 02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:00,960 depicted the womb that gave birth to 3030 02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:02,560 humanity 3031 02:23:08,309 --> 02:23:04,640 and then outside of that i had written 3032 02:23:10,389 --> 02:23:08,319 three words in quotations the what is 3033 02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:10,399 and i was to understand that the what is 3034 02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:12,479 is is god 3035 02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:16,000 or the cosmic mind um 3036 02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:17,920 so like i say i held on to that for 12 3037 02:23:28,630 --> 02:23:20,240 days and kevin estrella who has been 3038 02:23:34,790 --> 02:23:32,870 a quantum physicist in mexico 3039 02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:34,800 wanted to reach out to me and kevin gave 3040 02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:36,880 him my email address 3041 02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:40,240 and i shared my writing 3042 02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:41,920 what i'd written in sleep statement and 3043 02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:44,960 he wrote back he said 3044 02:23:48,870 --> 02:23:47,040 that my words were compatible with the 3045 02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:48,880 words of a man by the name of paul 3046 02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:49,520 brunton 3047 02:23:54,710 --> 02:23:52,399 aka raphael hearst a best-selling author 3048 02:23:57,030 --> 02:23:54,720 spiritualist yogi 3049 02:23:58,790 --> 02:23:57,040 his words not only validated what i had 3050 02:24:11,030 --> 02:23:58,800 written 3051 02:24:11,510 --> 02:24:11,040 the actor the author is god and stage 3052 02:24:14,630 --> 02:24:11,520 play 3053 02:24:17,670 --> 02:24:14,640 it now another synchronicity hypnada 3054 02:24:19,590 --> 02:24:17,680 the musical being written at my life 3055 02:24:22,309 --> 02:24:19,600 these are the chapters of my life this 3056 02:24:24,230 --> 02:24:22,319 is how i live my life you can't 3057 02:24:26,070 --> 02:24:24,240 you can't make this stuff up i can't 3058 02:24:32,630 --> 02:24:26,080 make up these dates and 3059 02:24:37,349 --> 02:24:35,510 um i just want to say one thing um let 3060 02:24:38,309 --> 02:24:37,359 me know when i have only got two minutes 3061 02:24:41,349 --> 02:24:38,319 left because i 3062 02:24:45,990 --> 02:24:41,359 i wanna i wanna end with with um 3063 02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:46,000 i i was i was actually given 3064 02:24:49,429 --> 02:24:48,800 something that i was supposed to end the 3065 02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:49,439 show with 3066 02:24:52,469 --> 02:24:51,760 okay which is what they do um i get my 3067 02:24:54,150 --> 02:24:52,479 messages 3068 02:24:55,670 --> 02:24:54,160 either from mr or from the collective 3069 02:24:59,030 --> 02:24:55,680 mind 3070 02:25:02,070 --> 02:24:59,040 and i'm either led to the computer to 3071 02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:02,080 to find something there was uh there was 3072 02:25:05,990 --> 02:25:03,200 a word 3073 02:25:06,389 --> 02:25:06,000 uh that you said and it's also a chapter 3074 02:25:09,510 --> 02:25:06,399 but 3075 02:25:12,309 --> 02:25:09,520 muse amused yeah 3076 02:25:14,389 --> 02:25:12,319 yeah yes and i'm amused for yes a muse 3077 02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:14,399 and i use that word and here i am amused 3078 02:25:22,070 --> 02:25:15,120 for a 3079 02:25:25,270 --> 02:25:22,080 um doug yes doug old 3080 02:25:26,070 --> 02:25:25,280 yes um cindy and i uh the two main 3081 02:25:29,750 --> 02:25:26,080 characters 3082 02:25:33,190 --> 02:25:29,760 uh he's written 18 songs 3083 02:25:35,510 --> 02:25:33,200 and um it's hypnata.com and you can hear 3084 02:25:44,070 --> 02:25:35,520 some of the music he's written 3085 02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:47,110 oh 3086 02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:50,469 i don't know how much time we have i 3087 02:25:52,950 --> 02:25:51,200 don't know if i 3088 02:25:55,429 --> 02:25:52,960 i know we don't have enough time for me 3089 02:25:58,469 --> 02:25:55,439 to uh talk about another 3090 02:25:59,429 --> 02:25:58,479 um no we can't we can't let's talk about 3091 02:26:02,230 --> 02:25:59,439 another chapter 3092 02:26:02,710 --> 02:26:02,240 let's forget about the commercials i 3093 02:26:07,190 --> 02:26:02,720 don't 3094 02:26:09,670 --> 02:26:07,200 care about the sponsors i want to talk 3095 02:26:10,950 --> 02:26:09,680 okay nancy uh what's another chapter 3096 02:26:13,990 --> 02:26:10,960 that you would like to discuss 3097 02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:14,000 i have got a list of chapters here 3098 02:26:17,190 --> 02:26:16,560 and we can we can spend time i know i 3099 02:26:22,790 --> 02:26:17,200 just 3100 02:26:23,670 --> 02:26:22,800 so uh what chapter would you i'm gonna 3101 02:26:29,429 --> 02:26:23,680 hit the wall 3102 02:26:33,429 --> 02:26:32,630 i'd like to talk about um this email 3103 02:26:36,230 --> 02:26:33,439 that i i 3104 02:26:37,750 --> 02:26:36,240 received from um jose banela lopez who 3105 02:26:40,230 --> 02:26:37,760 is a quantum physicist 3106 02:26:41,190 --> 02:26:40,240 and we've become great friends over the 3107 02:26:46,830 --> 02:26:41,200 last 3108 02:26:50,150 --> 02:26:46,840 um since 2017 and he sent me a pdf 3109 02:26:56,790 --> 02:26:53,429 march 27th of 2020 3110 02:26:57,670 --> 02:26:56,800 and uh i thought i'll just read the 3111 02:27:00,710 --> 02:26:57,680 first few 3112 02:27:02,389 --> 02:27:00,720 pages well i couldn't put it down 3113 02:27:04,950 --> 02:27:02,399 it's written by a woman by the name of 3114 02:27:09,110 --> 02:27:04,960 elizabeth clare 3115 02:27:15,270 --> 02:27:12,230 she received a standing ovation at the 3116 02:27:18,550 --> 02:27:15,280 11th international congress of ufo 3117 02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:18,560 research groups in germany and 3118 02:27:22,550 --> 02:27:21,200 she was applauded by scientists in 22 3119 02:27:25,429 --> 02:27:22,560 nations 3120 02:27:27,190 --> 02:27:25,439 and in 1983 she addressed the house of 3121 02:27:29,510 --> 02:27:27,200 lords in england 3122 02:27:31,270 --> 02:27:29,520 and her paper was read at the united 3123 02:27:34,309 --> 02:27:31,280 nations 3124 02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:34,319 her book mirrored so much of mine i 3125 02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:37,439 i couldn't stop she like me 3126 02:27:41,190 --> 02:27:40,240 longed for that ship to return she liked 3127 02:27:48,150 --> 02:27:41,200 me 3128 02:27:55,270 --> 02:27:51,349 that stayed behind to be educated 3129 02:27:57,429 --> 02:27:55,280 um the synchronicities i found my story 3130 02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:57,439 within her words 3131 02:28:01,030 --> 02:27:59,040 and i wanted to reach out to her and 3132 02:28:04,469 --> 02:28:01,040 then found out that she had 3133 02:28:09,670 --> 02:28:07,830 but she wrote she had spent nearly a 3134 02:28:13,270 --> 02:28:09,680 lifetime before awakening 3135 02:28:15,510 --> 02:28:13,280 just like me and she realized why 3136 02:28:17,830 --> 02:28:15,520 she said no wonder it's been almost a 3137 02:28:19,990 --> 02:28:17,840 lifetime before you contacted me 3138 02:28:22,469 --> 02:28:20,000 i was suddenly thankful and humbled for 3139 02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:22,479 my years of training and self-discipline 3140 02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:26,000 instilled since childhood 3141 02:28:29,590 --> 02:28:27,840 that now enable me to understand 3142 02:28:32,389 --> 02:28:29,600 completely with my mind 3143 02:28:33,830 --> 02:28:32,399 the intricate secret of light and how 3144 02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:33,840 the spaceship created 3145 02:28:39,429 --> 02:28:36,880 the cosmic energy to use itself as a 3146 02:28:41,190 --> 02:28:39,439 source of infinite power 3147 02:28:43,110 --> 02:28:41,200 there is always a reason for things to 3148 02:28:44,870 --> 02:28:43,120 happen the way they do 3149 02:28:50,790 --> 02:28:44,880 one cannot expect everything to be 3150 02:28:55,510 --> 02:28:52,950 she questioned if she had somehow 3151 02:28:59,510 --> 02:28:55,520 nurtured some precious being 3152 02:29:01,590 --> 02:28:59,520 who would change her whole life 3153 02:29:04,150 --> 02:29:01,600 and had already begun telepathic 3154 02:29:06,550 --> 02:29:04,160 communication with her 3155 02:29:08,550 --> 02:29:06,560 we both question war and humanity's 3156 02:29:11,750 --> 02:29:08,560 waning of empathy 3157 02:29:13,990 --> 02:29:11,760 her words express what i could not to 3158 02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:14,000 destroy one's fellows creatures 3159 02:29:17,190 --> 02:29:16,720 and one's planet is an inflection of 3160 02:29:20,630 --> 02:29:17,200 mass 3161 02:29:21,990 --> 02:29:20,640 insanity violence and destruction are 3162 02:29:25,030 --> 02:29:22,000 but a symbol of power 3163 02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:25,040 for the race of humankind on earth 3164 02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:27,520 vast masses of people who have barely 3165 02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:29,760 evolved beyond savage 3166 02:29:34,309 --> 02:29:33,040 flesh eating murderers they are 3167 02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:34,319 barbarians 3168 02:29:38,950 --> 02:29:36,800 whose one ambition is to destroy the way 3169 02:29:42,630 --> 02:29:38,960 of tolerance and coexistence with 3170 02:29:45,110 --> 02:29:42,640 all nature is not under 3171 02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:45,120 yet understood instead a twisted state 3172 02:29:51,190 --> 02:29:47,120 of mind exists 3173 02:29:54,309 --> 02:29:51,200 spawned by centuries of wrong thinking 3174 02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:54,319 humankind on planet earth is thereby a 3175 02:29:58,550 --> 02:29:55,359 product 3176 02:30:02,830 --> 02:29:58,560 of its environment our present state is 3177 02:30:02,840 --> 02:30:09,110 made 3178 02:30:17,590 --> 02:30:12,230 her words were beautiful 3179 02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:20,790 i just wish i could have gotten to meet 3180 02:30:25,590 --> 02:30:22,960 her 3181 02:30:26,630 --> 02:30:25,600 yeah she was she was extraordinary and 3182 02:30:30,389 --> 02:30:26,640 you had heard of her 3183 02:30:31,270 --> 02:30:30,399 i've read her stuff yes yes yes yes yes 3184 02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:31,280 i have 3185 02:30:36,550 --> 02:30:34,319 um there's a there's another part of uh 3186 02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:36,560 this ufo community i've been i've been 3187 02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:38,640 at this for 50 years 3188 02:30:45,270 --> 02:30:42,000 uh i'm 58 years old and so 3189 02:30:47,190 --> 02:30:45,280 i'm going back to the age of uh 8 nine 3190 02:30:48,630 --> 02:30:47,200 ten when i started jumping into this i 3191 02:30:51,910 --> 02:30:48,640 never let up 3192 02:30:55,110 --> 02:30:51,920 but there is when you meet somebody like 3193 02:30:58,389 --> 02:30:55,120 uh grant um uh cameron or 3194 02:31:01,750 --> 02:30:58,399 linda molten howe and others out there 3195 02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:01,760 there are so many like them that 3196 02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:05,840 know so much we study we research we're 3197 02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:08,000 trying to get to the answers 3198 02:31:12,710 --> 02:31:10,880 there's knowledge that we seek it's an 3199 02:31:13,750 --> 02:31:12,720 endless right you know like a buddhist 3200 02:31:15,910 --> 02:31:13,760 monk right 3201 02:31:17,190 --> 02:31:15,920 you're never gonna master anything just 3202 02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:17,200 keep going right 3203 02:31:22,070 --> 02:31:19,520 you're never gonna and and that's what 3204 02:31:25,270 --> 02:31:22,080 this is and that's what it's been for me 3205 02:31:27,349 --> 02:31:25,280 um and that's all i do is research and 3206 02:31:31,349 --> 02:31:27,359 i've done it i've done it forever 3207 02:31:33,590 --> 02:31:31,359 nancy um now you said that you had uh 3208 02:31:35,270 --> 02:31:33,600 you had been giving something this has 3209 02:31:37,670 --> 02:31:35,280 been an extraordinary conversation 3210 02:31:39,670 --> 02:31:37,680 tonight and i want to thank you 3211 02:31:40,790 --> 02:31:39,680 thank you no thank you thank you it's 3212 02:31:42,950 --> 02:31:40,800 just just 3213 02:31:44,070 --> 02:31:42,960 just an amazing conversation that you 3214 02:31:46,790 --> 02:31:44,080 were given something 3215 02:31:47,830 --> 02:31:46,800 uh for us and and i would love for you 3216 02:31:49,670 --> 02:31:47,840 to share it 3217 02:31:51,830 --> 02:31:49,680 first i want to say thank you to jeff 3218 02:31:56,070 --> 02:31:51,840 dimmers with et publications 3219 02:31:58,630 --> 02:31:56,080 for and dr gregory silva 3220 02:32:00,230 --> 02:31:58,640 who has who has taken me down another 3221 02:32:03,750 --> 02:32:00,240 path 3222 02:32:06,710 --> 02:32:03,760 of jungian psychology 3223 02:32:07,670 --> 02:32:06,720 and doug old and yes here's what i 3224 02:32:12,790 --> 02:32:07,680 wanted to 3225 02:32:16,389 --> 02:32:12,800 to say i was led to this 3226 02:32:18,070 --> 02:32:16,399 there was a 75-year harvard study 3227 02:32:21,190 --> 02:32:18,080 the number one secret to living a 3228 02:32:23,590 --> 02:32:21,200 fulfilling life 3229 02:32:24,630 --> 02:32:23,600 human beings are actually engineered for 3230 02:32:30,870 --> 02:32:24,640 love 3231 02:32:38,630 --> 02:32:30,880 contains this message you must 3232 02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:38,640 love and be loved to survive 3233 02:32:43,429 --> 02:32:41,840 and basically that's been 3234 02:32:45,429 --> 02:32:43,439 the message that i've been receiving 3235 02:32:50,070 --> 02:32:45,439 from the collective mind and mr 3236 02:32:56,550 --> 02:32:53,190 it's that simple 3237 02:32:57,830 --> 02:32:56,560 we need more of it yes we do yeah we 3238 02:33:00,870 --> 02:32:57,840 need more of it 3239 02:33:01,349 --> 02:33:00,880 nancy thank you so much oh thank you so 3240 02:33:03,270 --> 02:33:01,359 much 3241 02:33:04,630 --> 02:33:03,280 it was just an absolutely amazing 3242 02:33:06,389 --> 02:33:04,640 conversation and 3243 02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:06,399 uh i can't wait for the next time that 3244 02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:07,920 you're on the show 3245 02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:11,920 and we'll be able to just pick one thing 3246 02:33:15,110 --> 02:33:14,160 and do the deep dive does that sound 3247 02:33:18,150 --> 02:33:15,120 great yeah 3248 02:33:19,590 --> 02:33:18,160 yeah yes it sounds wonderful thank you 3249 02:33:19,990 --> 02:33:19,600 jimmy so much you know that was my 3250 02:33:22,630 --> 02:33:20,000 brother's 3251 02:33:24,309 --> 02:33:22,640 name my brother that named me when my 3252 02:33:27,349 --> 02:33:24,319 mother was pregnant 3253 02:33:29,590 --> 02:33:27,359 that's that that's the universe jimmy 3254 02:33:31,750 --> 02:33:29,600 yes you're the best thank you so much 3255 02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:31,760 nancy enjoy the rest of your night 3256 02:33:36,309 --> 02:33:34,560 say hello to your cat for me that is uh 3257 02:33:38,469 --> 02:33:36,319 uh running around in the background 3258 02:33:40,070 --> 02:33:38,479 is the absolute best nancy thank you so 3259 02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:40,080 much enjoy the rest of you 3260 02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:42,080 everyone for listening thank you thank 3261 02:33:44,550 --> 02:33:43,760 you you're the best nancy thank you so 3262 02:33:47,510 --> 02:33:44,560 much 3263 02:33:49,030 --> 02:33:47,520 nancy tremaine and nancy's links for 3264 02:33:51,830 --> 02:33:49,040 both of her books are over 3265 02:33:53,670 --> 02:33:51,840 at jimmychurchradio.com i'm going to 3266 02:33:56,309 --> 02:33:53,680 take a quick break 3267 02:34:00,830 --> 02:33:56,319 and uh the game changer network and 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--> 02:38:21,600 to right now the paranormal radio app 3361 02:38:26,840 --> 02:38:33,830 store 3362 02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:36,950 it's not a lifestyle we chose we were 3363 02:38:46,240 --> 02:39:04,630 this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com 3364 02:39:08,550 --> 02:39:06,630 welcome back faded block i am your host 3365 02:39:09,750 --> 02:39:08,560 jimmy church what a week 3366 02:39:11,190 --> 02:39:09,760 what a week on the show what a 3367 02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:11,200 conversation tonight i want to thank 3368 02:39:17,110 --> 02:39:13,840 nancy tremaine 3369 02:39:18,710 --> 02:39:17,120 what a conversation highly emotional uh 3370 02:39:23,590 --> 02:39:18,720 highly emotional for me 3371 02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:23,600 um to uh engage with that because i can 3372 02:39:28,710 --> 02:39:25,520 see her you guys can 3373 02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:28,720 and uh lots of emotion flying around 3374 02:39:32,630 --> 02:39:31,600 that was uh that was strong that was 3375 02:39:34,469 --> 02:39:32,640 strong for me 3376 02:39:37,110 --> 02:39:34,479 and i've opened up the phone lines we 3377 02:39:40,469 --> 02:39:37,120 don't have fader night this week folks 3378 02:39:43,030 --> 02:39:40,479 nope so you now is your chance 3379 02:39:44,469 --> 02:39:43,040 seven four seven two two eight two zero 3380 02:39:46,630 --> 02:39:44,479 five one 3381 02:39:47,990 --> 02:39:46,640 seven four seven two two eight two zero 3382 02:39:52,309 --> 02:39:48,000 five one 3383 02:39:55,830 --> 02:39:52,319 um there is uh a lot to unpack 3384 02:39:59,510 --> 02:39:55,840 uh from that conversation there was uh 3385 02:40:03,790 --> 02:39:59,520 uh one point that i brought up uh 3386 02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:03,800 during uh tonight's show which is 3387 02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:07,600 everything that nancy when she says 3388 02:40:13,269 --> 02:40:10,000 nancy drew 3389 02:40:15,510 --> 02:40:13,279 it's a very strong point because that is 3390 02:40:19,110 --> 02:40:15,520 what the book is 3391 02:40:20,150 --> 02:40:19,120 nancy had to go back after um and if you 3392 02:40:23,429 --> 02:40:20,160 think about 3393 02:40:26,309 --> 02:40:23,439 everything that is laid out here um 3394 02:40:27,590 --> 02:40:26,319 going back to 1961 and everything that 3395 02:40:29,349 --> 02:40:27,600 happened 3396 02:40:31,269 --> 02:40:29,359 uh and there's a lot there there's a lot 3397 02:40:32,950 --> 02:40:31,279 to unpack and it's it's all in the book 3398 02:40:35,990 --> 02:40:32,960 but everything that she's talking about 3399 02:40:39,190 --> 02:40:36,000 uh being the nancy drew 3400 02:40:40,550 --> 02:40:39,200 that she became because she wanted to 3401 02:40:43,830 --> 02:40:40,560 know she wanted to go find out 3402 02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:43,840 she's got she's got information 3403 02:40:47,510 --> 02:40:45,840 she lives where she lives she's gonna go 3404 02:40:48,309 --> 02:40:47,520 out and figure all of this stuff out and 3405 02:40:51,510 --> 02:40:48,319 she did 3406 02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:51,520 and it's all in the book um it is 3407 02:40:55,030 --> 02:40:53,680 an incredible read it's an incredible 3408 02:40:57,990 --> 02:40:55,040 read it's all right there 3409 02:40:59,590 --> 02:40:58,000 um i keep going back to the uh the the 3410 02:41:03,110 --> 02:40:59,600 martian sermon 3411 02:41:04,870 --> 02:41:03,120 uh because um uh 3412 02:41:07,910 --> 02:41:04,880 when when something like that comes up 3413 02:41:11,990 --> 02:41:07,920 in a in a conversation 3414 02:41:15,429 --> 02:41:12,000 uh like we had tonight and 3415 02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:15,439 that sounds too extraordinary 3416 02:41:18,630 --> 02:41:17,520 right for all of us i get that i totally 3417 02:41:21,750 --> 02:41:18,640 get it 3418 02:41:24,630 --> 02:41:21,760 it's in the book it's right 3419 02:41:25,670 --> 02:41:24,640 there the sermon the page from the 3420 02:41:28,950 --> 02:41:25,680 church 3421 02:41:32,309 --> 02:41:28,960 with uh this space man thing and 3422 02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:32,319 this it's right there you have to 3423 02:41:35,990 --> 02:41:33,120 understand 3424 02:41:37,670 --> 02:41:36,000 that's what nancy became she she went 3425 02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:37,680 from nancy tremaine 3426 02:41:43,830 --> 02:41:40,800 uh to nancy drew um uh 3427 02:41:45,750 --> 02:41:43,840 to to get with the police chief lee's 3428 02:41:46,870 --> 02:41:45,760 incredible and his photograph in the 3429 02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:46,880 book is 3430 02:41:50,630 --> 02:41:49,840 is is is timeless you have to go and 3431 02:41:53,429 --> 02:41:50,640 check that out 3432 02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:53,439 for all of that to to come to a head in 3433 02:41:57,269 --> 02:41:54,640 in 2011 3434 02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:57,279 and and getting back with cindy and 3435 02:42:02,469 --> 02:41:59,040 being able to spend four years 3436 02:42:05,670 --> 02:42:02,479 with cindy to to get all of these 3437 02:42:07,910 --> 02:42:05,680 memories back and and to talk about this 3438 02:42:08,870 --> 02:42:07,920 cindy did have her regression too as 3439 02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:08,880 well 3440 02:42:13,110 --> 02:42:12,160 um it's just an incredible story it's an 3441 02:42:16,150 --> 02:42:13,120 incredible 3442 02:42:18,070 --> 02:42:16,160 and to uh to come back out into this 3443 02:42:19,830 --> 02:42:18,080 community 3444 02:42:22,710 --> 02:42:19,840 and she brings this up oh by the way the 3445 02:42:24,870 --> 02:42:22,720 phone lines oh man don't even tell me i 3446 02:42:27,510 --> 02:42:24,880 didn't turn them on 3447 02:42:29,510 --> 02:42:27,520 okay we're good to go seven four seven 3448 02:42:31,510 --> 02:42:29,520 two two eight that's my bad 3449 02:42:32,870 --> 02:42:31,520 seven four seven two two eight two zero 3450 02:42:36,230 --> 02:42:32,880 five one 3451 02:42:39,269 --> 02:42:36,240 um uh where was i 3452 02:42:41,269 --> 02:42:39,279 oh oh oh so it's the illustrations 3453 02:42:42,309 --> 02:42:41,279 the drawings and to turn around and 3454 02:42:46,150 --> 02:42:42,319 present those 3455 02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:46,160 uh to cindy and start to 3456 02:42:53,030 --> 02:42:49,600 um in 2011 bring all of this back 3457 02:42:54,870 --> 02:42:53,040 uh with your friend uh that lived across 3458 02:42:57,750 --> 02:42:54,880 the street 3459 02:42:58,469 --> 02:42:57,760 to have all of that happen and then turn 3460 02:43:01,670 --> 02:42:58,479 around 3461 02:43:05,190 --> 02:43:01,680 and come into the ufo community 3462 02:43:09,110 --> 02:43:05,200 which is something that you experience 3463 02:43:10,150 --> 02:43:09,120 uh i think uh and it certainly happened 3464 02:43:14,630 --> 02:43:10,160 to me 3465 02:43:18,550 --> 02:43:14,640 uh with excitement and you assume 3466 02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:18,560 that everybody in the ufo community has 3467 02:43:26,790 --> 02:43:23,040 the open mind uh that you do 3468 02:43:28,630 --> 02:43:26,800 and and is going to be inquisitive 3469 02:43:30,469 --> 02:43:28,640 wants to know wants to ask questions and 3470 02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:30,479 then you find out 3471 02:43:37,830 --> 02:43:34,160 as you get into this circle 3472 02:43:40,790 --> 02:43:37,840 that it's not necessarily as 3473 02:43:42,469 --> 02:43:40,800 as warm and as inviting as it seems from 3474 02:43:45,429 --> 02:43:42,479 the outside 3475 02:43:45,910 --> 02:43:45,439 and i was warned and and nancy went 3476 02:43:49,429 --> 02:43:45,920 through this 3477 02:43:51,030 --> 02:43:49,439 i was warned about this and jimmy be 3478 02:43:53,910 --> 02:43:51,040 careful 3479 02:43:54,710 --> 02:43:53,920 you've got to uh there's this person 3480 02:43:56,870 --> 02:43:54,720 over here there's 3481 02:43:58,630 --> 02:43:56,880 this person over there there's this and 3482 02:44:02,790 --> 02:43:58,640 i was like wait no 3483 02:44:06,150 --> 02:44:02,800 no it's not like that oh it is 3484 02:44:10,150 --> 02:44:06,160 it is and and i look back 3485 02:44:13,670 --> 02:44:10,160 uh you know the 20 25 years ago 3486 02:44:14,070 --> 02:44:13,680 uh where i was with all of this 1995 3487 02:44:17,830 --> 02:44:14,080 where 3488 02:44:22,150 --> 02:44:17,840 we were 2021 um 3489 02:44:25,190 --> 02:44:22,160 wow wow today i'm i'm secure 3490 02:44:28,710 --> 02:44:25,200 today i know who is who 3491 02:44:32,790 --> 02:44:28,720 and today i've been able to build up 3492 02:44:33,269 --> 02:44:32,800 uh this circle of trust around me and 3493 02:44:36,870 --> 02:44:33,279 i'm 3494 02:44:38,070 --> 02:44:36,880 totally cool now but wow what an 3495 02:44:41,429 --> 02:44:38,080 awakening 3496 02:44:45,429 --> 02:44:41,439 and nancy with with this this 3497 02:44:46,550 --> 02:44:45,439 emotional um experience that she has 3498 02:44:48,309 --> 02:44:46,560 gone through 3499 02:44:49,830 --> 02:44:48,319 you want to be able to come into the ufo 3500 02:44:53,670 --> 02:44:49,840 community and discuss this 3501 02:44:56,870 --> 02:44:53,680 and and and and get through this and and 3502 02:44:59,110 --> 02:44:56,880 figure it out um 3503 02:45:00,309 --> 02:44:59,120 it's it's not that easy being an 3504 02:45:03,269 --> 02:45:00,319 experiencer 3505 02:45:04,070 --> 02:45:03,279 in in this community is not something 3506 02:45:07,750 --> 02:45:04,080 simple 3507 02:45:10,550 --> 02:45:07,760 it's not it's not and um 3508 02:45:11,429 --> 02:45:10,560 there are there's another part to it 3509 02:45:14,790 --> 02:45:11,439 there are 3510 02:45:17,070 --> 02:45:14,800 those 3511 02:45:18,389 --> 02:45:17,080 uh that are in this community that are 3512 02:45:22,469 --> 02:45:18,399 experiencers 3513 02:45:26,950 --> 02:45:24,150 they're they're they they want to hear 3514 02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:26,960 what you have to say they want to share 3515 02:45:31,670 --> 02:45:30,240 and and and and that part of it is great 3516 02:45:33,910 --> 02:45:31,680 and then there's the other part there's 3517 02:45:36,950 --> 02:45:33,920 a tremendous amount of ego 3518 02:45:39,030 --> 02:45:36,960 uh uh it's 3519 02:45:41,670 --> 02:45:39,040 it's a it's a strange experience to go 3520 02:45:43,910 --> 02:45:41,680 through and you don't 3521 02:45:45,590 --> 02:45:43,920 and this is my advice and nancy if 3522 02:45:48,630 --> 02:45:45,600 you're listening now 3523 02:45:52,550 --> 02:45:48,640 this is my advice to anybody you do not 3524 02:45:55,990 --> 02:45:52,560 want to be silenced you don't want to 3525 02:45:59,110 --> 02:45:56,000 get uncomfortable you don't want to 3526 02:46:02,790 --> 02:45:59,120 uh start to pull yourself back 3527 02:46:06,309 --> 02:46:02,800 in because um 3528 02:46:08,150 --> 02:46:06,319 uh because now you're apprehensive 3529 02:46:09,910 --> 02:46:08,160 to begin with before you get into the 3530 02:46:10,710 --> 02:46:09,920 community you don't know who to talk to 3531 02:46:13,110 --> 02:46:10,720 about this 3532 02:46:14,150 --> 02:46:13,120 you don't know what to do with it you 3533 02:46:16,150 --> 02:46:14,160 don't know 3534 02:46:17,910 --> 02:46:16,160 what to do and then suddenly you get 3535 02:46:20,710 --> 02:46:17,920 into the community and you get 3536 02:46:22,870 --> 02:46:20,720 you get clamped down and there's and 3537 02:46:24,710 --> 02:46:22,880 suddenly you want no that's not what you 3538 02:46:27,910 --> 02:46:24,720 want to go through 3539 02:46:28,950 --> 02:46:27,920 so the advice is as simple as as simple 3540 02:46:32,469 --> 02:46:28,960 as 3541 02:46:35,590 --> 02:46:32,479 tell your story help who you can 3542 02:46:36,389 --> 02:46:35,600 you know get out there communicate open 3543 02:46:39,190 --> 02:46:36,399 up 3544 02:46:40,870 --> 02:46:39,200 because being silent doesn't do anybody 3545 02:46:41,590 --> 02:46:40,880 any good there's too many people out 3546 02:46:44,309 --> 02:46:41,600 there 3547 02:46:47,110 --> 02:46:44,319 that are going through what what you're 3548 02:46:50,230 --> 02:46:47,120 going through and what i'm going through 3549 02:46:52,070 --> 02:46:50,240 right and so that's it okay seven four 3550 02:46:55,030 --> 02:46:52,080 seven two two eight two zero five 3551 02:46:56,230 --> 02:46:55,040 one got a couple of calls on hold let's 3552 02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:56,240 just see who's up for 3553 02:46:59,349 --> 02:46:57,680 hi you're live on fade to black who's 3554 02:47:01,349 --> 02:46:59,359 calling 3555 02:47:03,190 --> 02:47:01,359 hi jimmy it's deb you've actually had me 3556 02:47:05,269 --> 02:47:03,200 i've heard every word you said 3557 02:47:08,150 --> 02:47:05,279 oh is that right you heard every 3558 02:47:12,550 --> 02:47:10,389 no you've had me i've heard you live on 3559 02:47:13,190 --> 02:47:12,560 the air while i was on hold it went live 3560 02:47:20,870 --> 02:47:13,200 and i 3561 02:47:22,870 --> 02:47:20,880 um yeah you just have to be honest 3562 02:47:23,990 --> 02:47:22,880 and tell your own truth tell your own 3563 02:47:26,710 --> 02:47:24,000 story 3564 02:47:27,349 --> 02:47:26,720 and um and to share your experience 3565 02:47:29,429 --> 02:47:27,359 people aren't 3566 02:47:30,710 --> 02:47:29,439 you know if people don't believe you oh 3567 02:47:33,670 --> 02:47:30,720 well fine 3568 02:47:35,990 --> 02:47:33,680 but you can't keep it inside because it 3569 02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:36,000 will drive you crazy 3570 02:47:40,710 --> 02:47:38,000 a good person to trust is if you can 3571 02:47:43,429 --> 02:47:40,720 find like i was very fortunate 3572 02:47:44,870 --> 02:47:43,439 to find a very good regression therapist 3573 02:47:47,590 --> 02:47:44,880 who's dealt with people 3574 02:47:49,269 --> 02:47:47,600 who've had these experiences that you 3575 02:47:52,070 --> 02:47:49,279 can trust and feel safe with 3576 02:47:53,030 --> 02:47:52,080 that's very very important well would 3577 02:47:56,710 --> 02:47:53,040 you 3578 02:47:58,630 --> 02:47:56,720 tonight 3579 02:48:00,230 --> 02:47:58,640 it was very very emotional for me to 3580 02:48:03,830 --> 02:48:00,240 listen to 3581 02:48:04,790 --> 02:48:03,840 um she i was totally vibing with her 3582 02:48:06,790 --> 02:48:04,800 because 3583 02:48:08,550 --> 02:48:06,800 when you speak of this stuff and i 3584 02:48:10,710 --> 02:48:08,560 tweeted about it where 3585 02:48:12,870 --> 02:48:10,720 i can tell i mean i believe totally 3586 02:48:15,510 --> 02:48:12,880 believe she's genuine she doesn't just 3587 02:48:16,630 --> 02:48:15,520 spill it out like it's just very matter 3588 02:48:18,870 --> 02:48:16,640 of fact and it's 3589 02:48:20,790 --> 02:48:18,880 like she's reading from a script like so 3590 02:48:23,030 --> 02:48:20,800 many experiencers do 3591 02:48:24,630 --> 02:48:23,040 and i'm not saying that they're frauds 3592 02:48:27,110 --> 02:48:24,640 but with her 3593 02:48:28,950 --> 02:48:27,120 she's processing this you know you can 3594 02:48:30,870 --> 02:48:28,960 you can almost feel her 3595 02:48:32,950 --> 02:48:30,880 visual memories going through her mind 3596 02:48:35,830 --> 02:48:32,960 as she speaks about this 3597 02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:35,840 and the emotion that went with it and 3598 02:48:38,790 --> 02:48:37,040 then trying to 3599 02:48:40,150 --> 02:48:38,800 categorize it because you're asking her 3600 02:48:41,269 --> 02:48:40,160 a lot of different questions she's 3601 02:48:44,389 --> 02:48:41,279 trying to 3602 02:48:47,670 --> 02:48:44,399 you know keep things in order in a sense 3603 02:48:49,750 --> 02:48:47,680 and her truth really resonated with me 3604 02:48:51,670 --> 02:48:49,760 and i felt it was i could feel the 3605 02:48:56,830 --> 02:48:51,680 emotion i could feel it 3606 02:48:59,830 --> 02:48:56,840 and it was beautiful yeah there were um 3607 02:49:02,309 --> 02:48:59,840 uh 3608 02:49:04,870 --> 02:49:02,319 everybody processes and deals with 3609 02:49:06,790 --> 02:49:04,880 things differently everybody's different 3610 02:49:08,790 --> 02:49:06,800 i've done enough interviews now i've 3611 02:49:10,790 --> 02:49:08,800 done enough shows 3612 02:49:12,309 --> 02:49:10,800 uh to know this this is something that 3613 02:49:13,030 --> 02:49:12,319 you learn over time everybody's 3614 02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:13,040 different 3615 02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:16,160 nobody we're not the same right 3616 02:49:22,950 --> 02:49:19,359 and so there are 3617 02:49:26,710 --> 02:49:22,960 uh experiences 3618 02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:26,720 that um are emotional number one but 3619 02:49:32,070 --> 02:49:28,319 number two when you turn around and 3620 02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:32,080 speak about them it's difficult to get 3621 02:49:37,110 --> 02:49:35,120 your mind and your 3622 02:49:38,150 --> 02:49:37,120 your tongue and your mouth together on 3623 02:49:39,510 --> 02:49:38,160 the same page 3624 02:49:41,349 --> 02:49:39,520 because you're affected so much 3625 02:49:45,349 --> 02:49:41,359 emotionally there are 3626 02:49:48,950 --> 02:49:45,359 others out there that um 3627 02:49:49,269 --> 02:49:48,960 are able to just spew it out and get it 3628 02:49:52,469 --> 02:49:49,279 out 3629 02:49:52,870 --> 02:49:52,479 you know just just you know speak where 3630 02:50:00,950 --> 02:49:52,880 they 3631 02:50:02,070 --> 02:50:00,960 there are others that these are 3632 02:50:06,070 --> 02:50:02,080 traumatic 3633 02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:06,080 deep heavy uh experiences 3634 02:50:11,110 --> 02:50:08,399 that are part of your life and for her 3635 02:50:14,469 --> 02:50:11,120 we're talking about 1961 3636 02:50:15,990 --> 02:50:14,479 right we're in 2021. that happened 3637 02:50:19,349 --> 02:50:16,000 before i was born 3638 02:50:22,469 --> 02:50:19,359 oh you know by a few months but um 3639 02:50:25,110 --> 02:50:22,479 that's a that's a long time 3640 02:50:26,790 --> 02:50:25,120 to be dealing with this and processing 3641 02:50:28,950 --> 02:50:26,800 this and thinking about it 3642 02:50:30,309 --> 02:50:28,960 investigating doing the research putting 3643 02:50:31,670 --> 02:50:30,319 all of this together trying to answer 3644 02:50:32,469 --> 02:50:31,680 the questions trying to figure out what 3645 02:50:35,750 --> 02:50:32,479 happened 3646 02:50:39,190 --> 02:50:35,760 going through therapy doing 3647 02:50:41,190 --> 02:50:39,200 all of this and then you turn around um 3648 02:50:43,750 --> 02:50:41,200 she hasn't done that that that many 3649 02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:43,760 shows but you come on a show like this 3650 02:50:51,269 --> 02:50:47,120 uh and this type of platform and 3651 02:50:54,950 --> 02:50:51,279 um you are not doing this all the time 3652 02:50:56,389 --> 02:50:54,960 your emotions are gonna uh take over 3653 02:50:58,870 --> 02:50:56,399 you know and that's what happened i was 3654 02:50:59,670 --> 02:50:58,880 watching it happen i was watching it i 3655 02:51:02,070 --> 02:50:59,680 was like 3656 02:51:03,349 --> 02:51:02,080 okay i'm not gonna interrupt i'm just 3657 02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:03,359 gonna let this 3658 02:51:09,349 --> 02:51:07,920 happen the way it's happening 3659 02:51:11,269 --> 02:51:09,359 well and the way you interviewed her was 3660 02:51:14,070 --> 02:51:11,279 perfect jimmy i mean 3661 02:51:15,030 --> 02:51:14,080 um her pauses and everything you didn't 3662 02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:15,040 it was perfect 3663 02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:16,640 the way that you just let her speak 3664 02:51:20,950 --> 02:51:18,720 because it started out where 3665 02:51:22,710 --> 02:51:20,960 at first it was a little slow and then 3666 02:51:23,190 --> 02:51:22,720 as you really start to listen it's like 3667 02:51:25,670 --> 02:51:23,200 no 3668 02:51:27,990 --> 02:51:25,680 this is real and you could for me i felt 3669 02:51:31,030 --> 02:51:28,000 that no that's exactly right 3670 02:51:32,150 --> 02:51:31,040 yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm sure everybody's 3671 02:51:35,590 --> 02:51:32,160 started to understand 3672 02:51:37,429 --> 02:51:35,600 that uh very quickly um 3673 02:51:39,269 --> 02:51:37,439 and i'm grateful that she did her own 3674 02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:39,279 and i mean let's face it no one's gonna 3675 02:51:43,030 --> 02:51:40,880 have the answers for her 3676 02:51:44,230 --> 02:51:43,040 so i'm glad that she turned into her own 3677 02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:44,240 nancy drew 3678 02:51:47,269 --> 02:51:46,399 to find her own answers and her answers 3679 02:51:49,429 --> 02:51:47,279 and then 3680 02:51:50,790 --> 02:51:49,439 um over the years gather more and more 3681 02:51:53,990 --> 02:51:50,800 and journal everything 3682 02:51:56,309 --> 02:51:54,000 and share it because again hopefully 3683 02:51:59,429 --> 02:51:56,319 it's going to help people 3684 02:52:01,030 --> 02:51:59,439 yeah yeah and having grant and and linda 3685 02:52:04,630 --> 02:52:01,040 there kevin estrellas 3686 02:52:08,550 --> 02:52:04,640 strong and and others um 3687 02:52:11,110 --> 02:52:08,560 uh to uh help guide you through 3688 02:52:11,990 --> 02:52:11,120 not only the ufo community but how to 3689 02:52:15,429 --> 02:52:12,000 deal with this 3690 02:52:18,550 --> 02:52:15,439 in general i mean that's uh 3691 02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:18,560 uh that's when this is uh 3692 02:52:26,950 --> 02:52:22,800 uh one of the things that 3693 02:52:30,309 --> 02:52:26,960 that affected me which is this really 3694 02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:30,319 it's uh no communication with her dad 3695 02:52:33,750 --> 02:52:31,760 all right he doesn't want to talk about 3696 02:52:34,950 --> 02:52:33,760 this she's got a strange relationship 3697 02:52:38,150 --> 02:52:34,960 with her mom 3698 02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:38,160 um and the really the only two 3699 02:52:44,469 --> 02:52:41,200 that was just her cindy and 3700 02:52:47,750 --> 02:52:44,479 and lee the uh uh begal 3701 02:52:49,590 --> 02:52:47,760 the uh uh police chief that's it 3702 02:52:51,110 --> 02:52:49,600 right that's it that's it that's it and 3703 02:52:53,830 --> 02:52:51,120 so she turned 3704 02:52:55,750 --> 02:52:53,840 uh records all of the conversations and 3705 02:52:57,349 --> 02:52:55,760 is trying to get to these answers but 3706 02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:57,359 it was the three of them against the 3707 02:53:02,950 --> 02:53:00,080 world you know and that's that's 3708 02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:02,960 that's that's amazing that's just 3709 02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:03,840 amazing to me 3710 02:53:08,550 --> 02:53:06,880 amazing it's a great book yeah 3711 02:53:10,150 --> 02:53:08,560 well i plan to get it and then i loved 3712 02:53:11,830 --> 02:53:10,160 her response when you asked her about 3713 02:53:13,670 --> 02:53:11,840 entering the ufo community 3714 02:53:15,349 --> 02:53:13,680 it was a very honest response because 3715 02:53:16,870 --> 02:53:15,359 you do have an impression that 3716 02:53:18,309 --> 02:53:16,880 oh everyone's there you know it's 3717 02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:18,319 like-minded i'm going to be warmly 3718 02:53:22,630 --> 02:53:20,319 embraced and they can relate 3719 02:53:24,070 --> 02:53:22,640 and instead what she you know it's like 3720 02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:24,080 50 50. 3721 02:53:30,309 --> 02:53:28,240 and it's it's rather um 3722 02:53:31,990 --> 02:53:30,319 i don't want to say upsetting but it is 3723 02:53:33,590 --> 02:53:32,000 it's emotionally upsetting to see so 3724 02:53:35,990 --> 02:53:33,600 many cynical 3725 02:53:38,070 --> 02:53:36,000 people who supposedly believe in this 3726 02:53:40,469 --> 02:53:38,080 yeah they're supposed to be open-minded 3727 02:53:42,150 --> 02:53:40,479 and they're supposed to be grounded 3728 02:53:44,150 --> 02:53:42,160 and you know and they just want to shoot 3729 02:53:45,429 --> 02:53:44,160 the messenger and not even listen to 3730 02:53:48,469 --> 02:53:45,439 they just want to shoot the messenger 3731 02:53:51,670 --> 02:53:48,479 it's like a knee-jerk you know reaction 3732 02:53:52,790 --> 02:53:51,680 and it feels so unfair but again you you 3733 02:53:56,790 --> 02:53:52,800 have to just 3734 02:53:59,030 --> 02:53:56,800 your truth if people don't 3735 02:54:00,550 --> 02:53:59,040 want to hear it or believe it it doesn't 3736 02:54:03,429 --> 02:54:00,560 matter it's your truth and 3737 02:54:05,190 --> 02:54:03,439 hopefully those that do receive it um i 3738 02:54:06,870 --> 02:54:05,200 think of chris bledsoe when i speak of 3739 02:54:09,110 --> 02:54:06,880 this too he 3740 02:54:11,269 --> 02:54:09,120 i think that he's very genuine and you 3741 02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:11,279 know he's just sharing his information 3742 02:54:15,510 --> 02:54:13,200 to help people and she strikes me the 3743 02:54:16,710 --> 02:54:15,520 same way i really thank you for having 3744 02:54:18,070 --> 02:54:16,720 her on i really 3745 02:54:19,429 --> 02:54:18,080 appreciated it and i do have one 3746 02:54:21,429 --> 02:54:19,439 question before i go jimmy because i 3747 02:54:22,870 --> 02:54:21,439 know you have other callers but 3748 02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:22,880 when do you think you'll ever have a 3749 02:54:27,990 --> 02:54:24,880 regression 3750 02:54:31,510 --> 02:54:28,000 no ain't going to happen 3751 02:54:39,910 --> 02:54:34,950 i don't know how many times deb 3752 02:54:41,590 --> 02:54:39,920 i can say i don't want to know 3753 02:54:43,590 --> 02:54:41,600 i don't want to know i don't want to 3754 02:54:45,110 --> 02:54:43,600 know i had alan seinfeld on the show 3755 02:54:47,429 --> 02:54:45,120 last night said it to alan 3756 02:54:49,830 --> 02:54:47,439 you know how many how many hedy von 3757 02:54:52,230 --> 02:54:49,840 smith on the show recently 3758 02:54:53,349 --> 02:54:52,240 you know and she's the best i i i don't 3759 02:54:56,389 --> 02:54:53,359 want to know 3760 02:54:59,429 --> 02:54:56,399 i i really i am comfortable 3761 02:55:00,389 --> 02:54:59,439 with where i'm at i just just right 3762 02:55:03,990 --> 02:55:00,399 there 3763 02:55:07,750 --> 02:55:04,000 i i i i i don't want to know i 3764 02:55:10,790 --> 02:55:07,760 know no no like forever forever 3765 02:55:12,790 --> 02:55:10,800 i've only got look look i'm 58. i've 3766 02:55:16,469 --> 02:55:12,800 only got so much time left on this big 3767 02:55:18,550 --> 02:55:16,479 beautiful blue gem of ours and 3768 02:55:20,230 --> 02:55:18,560 and i'm going to write it out the way i 3769 02:55:22,150 --> 02:55:20,240 am that's it i'm not going to 3770 02:55:23,590 --> 02:55:22,160 i'm not going to do any regret no i'm 3771 02:55:25,830 --> 02:55:23,600 not i'm not 3772 02:55:27,190 --> 02:55:25,840 you don't you don't want any deeper 3773 02:55:30,550 --> 02:55:27,200 answers to your question 3774 02:55:33,429 --> 02:55:30,560 no not not no no no no no 3775 02:55:34,550 --> 02:55:33,439 no no i'll crack attack i'll crack a 3776 02:55:37,429 --> 02:55:34,560 textbook 3777 02:55:39,190 --> 02:55:37,439 i'll talk to any archaeologist i'll talk 3778 02:55:40,790 --> 02:55:39,200 about ancient history let's talk about 3779 02:55:44,230 --> 02:55:40,800 egypt the mayans or 3780 02:55:45,910 --> 02:55:44,240 aztecs uh north south america i'll talk 3781 02:55:46,550 --> 02:55:45,920 about asia i'll talk about what i've 3782 02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:46,560 talked about 3783 02:55:50,070 --> 02:55:49,439 science in the future and and abductions 3784 02:55:53,110 --> 02:55:50,080 and we'll 3785 02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:53,120 do all of that but i'm not regressing 3786 02:55:59,910 --> 02:55:58,000 nothing no no i don't i don't know 3787 02:56:01,349 --> 02:55:59,920 or not right down the state because 3788 02:56:02,870 --> 02:56:01,359 we're all going to be watching for the 3789 02:56:03,670 --> 02:56:02,880 day that jimmy has brought to his own 3790 02:56:06,710 --> 02:56:03,680 first one no 3791 02:56:07,910 --> 02:56:06,720 it ain't gonna happen it's not gonna 3792 02:56:11,110 --> 02:56:07,920 happen 3793 02:56:14,309 --> 02:56:11,120 really not 3794 02:56:18,630 --> 02:56:14,319 and uh and 3795 02:56:20,710 --> 02:56:18,640 for me um i 3796 02:56:22,309 --> 02:56:20,720 what i've seen what i've experienced 3797 02:56:25,030 --> 02:56:22,319 what i've gone through 3798 02:56:26,950 --> 02:56:25,040 it's all in a good place it's all in a 3799 02:56:27,349 --> 02:56:26,960 good place i have the answers that i 3800 02:56:29,190 --> 02:56:27,359 need 3801 02:56:30,389 --> 02:56:29,200 i don't want to know anything else i'm 3802 02:56:32,550 --> 02:56:30,399 being serious that's 3803 02:56:33,830 --> 02:56:32,560 it that's it it's not going to happen 3804 02:56:37,429 --> 02:56:33,840 it's not going to happen 3805 02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:37,439 my brain is too strong there's nobody 3806 02:56:41,510 --> 02:56:38,560 that's going to be 3807 02:56:44,070 --> 02:56:41,520 coming up you know with uh with with a 3808 02:56:46,070 --> 02:56:44,080 pocket watch you're getting sleepy 3809 02:56:47,349 --> 02:56:46,080 it ain't going to work on me it ain't 3810 02:56:49,510 --> 02:56:47,359 going to work 3811 02:56:50,469 --> 02:56:49,520 nope nope nope no i got the blocks built 3812 02:56:52,150 --> 02:56:50,479 in 3813 02:56:56,790 --> 02:56:52,160 they don't use the pocket watch just so 3814 02:57:00,070 --> 02:56:58,469 you know jimmy you have the best smile 3815 02:57:01,190 --> 02:57:00,080 on the radio so don't downgrade your 3816 02:57:04,230 --> 02:57:01,200 smile 3817 02:57:06,950 --> 02:57:04,240 yeah all right and some good 3818 02:57:09,030 --> 02:57:06,960 brotherhood brother gotta go i'll talk 3819 02:57:11,990 --> 02:57:09,040 to you have a great night 3820 02:57:13,110 --> 02:57:12,000 you too bye right on tomorrow night 3821 02:57:16,230 --> 02:57:13,120 jacques ballet 3822 02:57:19,429 --> 02:57:16,240 paula harris are going to be here 3823 02:57:23,190 --> 02:57:19,439 and uh uh their new book trinity 3824 02:57:25,990 --> 02:57:23,200 now i realize uh how much 3825 02:57:27,670 --> 02:57:26,000 uh is out there right now about uh the 3826 02:57:30,710 --> 02:57:27,680 new book and about jack and about paula 3827 02:57:33,030 --> 02:57:30,720 and what's going on in this case 1945 3828 02:57:34,230 --> 02:57:33,040 jose padilla and and things there's a 3829 02:57:36,790 --> 02:57:34,240 lot of information 3830 02:57:37,510 --> 02:57:36,800 well there's been a lot out there not a 3831 02:57:40,550 --> 02:57:37,520 lot 3832 02:57:41,670 --> 02:57:40,560 but there's enough uh out there about 3833 02:57:45,510 --> 02:57:41,680 this case 3834 02:57:47,750 --> 02:57:45,520 um that we kind of can assemble 3835 02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:47,760 some things but the real stuff is gonna 3836 02:57:51,990 --> 02:57:49,200 happen tomorrow night 3837 02:57:53,590 --> 02:57:52,000 and i'm looking forward uh to having uh 3838 02:57:56,469 --> 02:57:53,600 jacques and paul on the show so 3839 02:57:57,830 --> 02:57:56,479 i realize everybody's gonna be here and 3840 02:57:59,510 --> 02:57:57,840 you're gonna be on the edge of your seat 3841 02:58:01,510 --> 02:57:59,520 but i'm gonna be on the edge of mine and 3842 02:58:04,790 --> 02:58:01,520 i am really looking forward 3843 02:58:07,910 --> 02:58:04,800 uh to that uh i do want to thank uh 3844 02:58:09,590 --> 02:58:07,920 nancy tremaine for the amazing 3845 02:58:13,030 --> 02:58:09,600 conversation tonight 3846 02:58:13,910 --> 02:58:13,040 and uh for having the conversation the 3847 02:58:15,830 --> 02:58:13,920 way that we did 3848 02:58:17,190 --> 02:58:15,840 it was incredible it was incredible for 3849 02:58:20,389 --> 02:58:17,200 me i do a lot of 3850 02:58:20,790 --> 02:58:20,399 a lot of shows uh tonight was one that 3851 02:58:22,710 --> 02:58:20,800 was 3852 02:58:23,990 --> 02:58:22,720 absolutely incredible i am your host 3853 02:58:26,429 --> 02:58:24,000 jimmy church 3854 02:58:28,150 --> 02:58:26,439 uh nancy's books are over at 3855 02:58:29,910 --> 02:58:28,160 jimmychurchradio.com you can just click 3856 02:58:32,630 --> 02:58:29,920 on the links right there 3857 02:58:35,429 --> 02:58:32,640 and uh there you go fade to black's 3858 02:58:37,110 --> 02:58:35,439 executive producers rita murian 3859 02:58:38,550 --> 02:58:37,120 shows produced by hilton j palmer renee 3860 02:58:40,630 --> 02:58:38,560 dennis and kevin 3861 02:58:42,550 --> 02:58:40,640 announcers are steve harter jean vitto 3862 02:58:43,590 --> 02:58:42,560 and mark d kovar webmaster is drew the 3863 02:58:46,830 --> 02:58:43,600 geek music doug 3864 02:58:48,389 --> 02:58:46,840 aldrich intros introspaceboy 3865 02:58:50,389 --> 02:58:48,399 spaceboymusic.com 3866 02:58:52,070 --> 02:58:50,399 fade to black is produced by kjcr for 3867 02:58:53,670 --> 02:58:52,080 the game changer network and syndication 3868 02:58:55,510 --> 02:58:53,680 is kgra 3869 02:58:57,750 --> 02:58:55,520 the planet this broadcast owned a 3870 02:58:59,750 --> 02:58:57,760 copyrighted 2021 by fade to black and 3871 02:59:01,510 --> 02:58:59,760 the game changer network inc 3872 02:59:03,110 --> 02:59:01,520 it cannot be re-broadcast downloaded 3873 02:59:04,150 --> 02:59:03,120 copied or used anywhere in the known 3874 02:59:05,830 --> 02:59:04,160 universe 3875 02:59:07,269 --> 02:59:05,840 without written permission from fade to 3876 02:59:08,630 --> 02:59:07,279 block of the game changer network i'm 3877 02:59:11,990 --> 02:59:08,640 your host jimmy church i'll see 3878 02:59:15,830 --> 02:59:12,000 everybody tomorrow night jacques impala 3879 02:59:16,880 --> 02:59:15,840 right here until then i want everybody 3880 02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:16,890 to be safe